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I'll keep it short... haven't done one of these since the Intellection Table got binned.

In my town of Bristol was a gathering after the 5th of April condemning the Assad regime for a Sarin gas attack which reportedly killed approximately 80 people (including women and children).

Pictures of injured and suffering children were abound, the general call was for UN action, and for the 'international community' not to allow this event to go unpunished.

Now as ever with these types of calls I have more questions than answers, and the whole thing fixes me in a state of cognitive dissonance.

Firstly, intervention. So we've (use the term very loosely of course) bombed an airbase, which is aggression and a serious infringement upon international law (ie: you can't attack a country which isn't threatening you). If we're demanding 'punishment', are we encouraging more of this?

Secondly, chemical weapons. According to British intelligence the Syrian 'opposition' have been found to use chemical weapons around 50 times... nobody seems to know this.

Thirdly motive, Assad's been doing pretty well lately. He has the full support of Russia, on occasion the co-operation of the US, and has been defeating and containing what we call rebels and what they call terrorists (nobody really knows the difference in truth) continuously. Knowing what the so called red line is, what is the military gain of gassing kids? It makes zero sense.

Fourthly, strange bedfellows. Those who encourage international intervention aren't just the protesters in Bristol... they're also ISIS and their sympathisers for obvious reasons.

Fifthly, hypocrisy. Vietnam, Fallujah, Gaza... anyone want invasion/regime change in Israel after WP attacks? Saudi Arabia have been killing kids in Yemen for years using our weapons, gonna overthrow the SA leadership too?

Fashionable to hate Trump. But I think not being the world's police -- the same ol' Clintonite Nation Building doctrine -- was something which struck a chord with people. He seems to have immediately changed that stance. If you want action, what might that be?

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Trump's missile attack on the military base was the response of a compassionate man. The fact that he watched the same news coverage as us and was moved to act, gives me hope in him as a human being. The fact that he can take decisive and potentially dire action on the crest of an emotional wave makes me worry about him wielding presidential power.

Perhaps Trump's volatility is the best weapon of all - the world will (and should) fear him. As far as i'm concerned - he got it right this time.
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Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

As for what Assad did or didn't do there's no way anyone outside the area can know for sure but this might help.
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There was a documentary on Channel 4 (Brit t.v) called 'Syria's Disappeared: A Case Against Assad.'

If you can watch it on Sky, it's worthwhile. (JC: did you see it?)
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Originally Posted by Grace Gabriel View Post
the response of a compassionate man.
I think your response is potentially valid, in that this could be an emotional reaction. He felt anguish and decided to punish those responsible (presuming they really know which I'll admit I find hard to accept). Plus there is doubtless a great degree of pressure to 'do something' from the media and the populace albeit equally emotional and free from context. In that case, loose canon, and you're right to be wary of his power.

But as I mentioned, kids get bombed in Yemen by our friends in SA and no one does anything. In fact we happily sell arms to SA, and take their donations (Clinton, Mccain). A funeral gathering was bombed few months ago killing 140 innocents, no military significance whatsoever. They just said 'it was a mistake'. It's just as easy to feel anguish looking at the scenes in that country. And they admitted it, it's not like the Assad regime has admitted culpability for this. They vehemently deny it. Investigation? -- like in 2013 when the same thing (Sarin gas attack) supposedly happened and still nobody really knows who did it.

The problem I have is that however which way you look at it Assad has no reason to use Sarin on militarily insignificant targets. If I put myself in his shoes, it's literally the stupidest thing you could possibly do. The opposition has every reason to try and draw the US into the fight. The opposition are not teddybears, and as mentioned have been found to be routinely using chemical weapons.

If it's just compassionate outrage we're working on then we're going to be punishing a hell of a lot of states in the next four years. But we wouldn't dare touch SA because we're very much allied with them. Not only will we not bomb them, but we will not even remove our overt support for them.

So for me compassionate outrage is difficult to swallow. And in some ways that's a good thing, because like I said if bombs rained down based on compassionate outrage it would be total mayhem.

If it's not compassionate outrage then what? I think only time will tell, but I will be watching very closely to see whether we start hearing 'Assad has to go' again. I am totally convince that another western backed deposition of another (secular) dictator in the Middle East will yield the exactly the same results as we've come to expect.
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Originally Posted by Grace Gabriel View Post
There was a documentary on Channel 4 (Brit t.v) called 'Syria's Disappeared: A case against Assad.

If you can watch it on Sky, it's worthwhile. (JC: did you see it?)
Hey,

No not watched this but will be able to. Thanks for the suggestion!

What I will say though is that if you watch anything from RT (Russia today) on Syria you'll naturally get a whole different story. With plenty of Syrians on the ground praising the Russians/Assad regime as liberators and denouncing the 'terrorists'.

Objectivism and mainstream TV just don't seem to mix. That's what I don't get about this 'fake news' scandal like it's something new... I mean they must think we're really dumb.
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(JC: we posted at the same time - this isn't a response to your post above.)

Trump is a hot-head. He's also a father. I think the "why" in this sole instance would be answered with nothing deeper than "because I can". Anyone remember Jim Carrey in Bruce Almighty?

He's a businessman first and foremost - his allegiance to any cause will always be strategic and self-serving. SA's barbarism will of course go unchecked. A hit to established trade links outweighs a hit to ethical conscience.

I'm prepared to park my opinions on Trump in neutral for a while. He's just taken over the helm of Titanic with the iceberg in view. Will take awhile to visibly see any correction in steering.
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Yes, you're right - every country will manipulate news coverage to its own bias. That said, British propaganda during WWII claimed that Nazis ate babies. No, they didn't - but do you like Hitler's regime any more for knowing that was inaccurate?
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I'm prepared to park my opinions on Trump in neutral for a while.
You seem to have been more or less neutral.

I'm kind of like that in the sense that I roll my eyes at most of the hysteria and didn't really see why he was going to be such a disaster in comparison to Hillary.

As a rule, I don't have faith in the system. So my world doesn't really depend on the President/Prime Minister. I don't see huge shifts in foreign policy from one term to the next.

In unicorn land I've come to think that forcible extraction of money, ie: money that comes to you or your organisation by virtue of democratic election (Tax), as opposed to voluntary transaction (Market), is the big bastard elephant in the room.

When I first started here I liked to think I was a socialist. I'm now the complete opposite...
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Yes, you're right - every country will manipulate news coverage to its own bias. That said, British propaganda during WWII claimed that Nazis ate babies. No, they didn't - but do you like Hitler's regime any more for knowing that was inaccurate?
No.

But what we have here is Russia saying that Syrian rebels (who are a series of loosely knit factions, driven by sectarian impulses to rid the region of Shia influence) eat babies, and the West saying the Syrian regime eat babies.

The truth is that (metaphorically) they both eat babies.

If we're not on the side of ISIS, we cannot pursue a policy which aids them. Everything I've read points towards the fact -- which is more or less known but not necessarily talked about -- that the idea of a 'moderate' section of the opposition which could assume control is a fantasy and a myth. These are the guys we've been funding and arming for years right, the 'moderates', the moderates don't exist. Just homegrown Sunni jihadists, supported by those coming from the Gulf states, Turkey and even from Europe. With this understood, the type of group you would see in power following Assad's deposition would be fanatic, and hostile towards Christians/Shia/Alawite.

They even say that the airbase bombed was protecting a nearby Christian town which could now be in serious danger.

Sorry I wish I had something good to say!
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ISIS is a godsend to the US military industrial complex. In fact, as you've sort of said, one they helped create, and now are eager to squash with bombs. Go boy, go! Make 'em as fast as the Air Force can drop them. It's one hand washes the other.

I do think the west, and the US are in the business of slowly creating democracies across the world. Democracies buy our stuff, and that's always good. Bomb them into ruin and then recreate them as functioning governments that want Coke and KFC.

After the successes in Japan and South Korea we are still working on South and Central America. The Middle East is a work in progress. It's coming. Once we get a stable government we set-up free trade. That means you have to buy our stuff or we'll crush you economically. It also means we'll lower US wages for labor to sort of make the playing field more level.

So... it's bombing bombing bombing 'til those bitches comply!

Expect a lot of bombing.
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Trump's missile attack on the military base was the response of a compassionate man.

And yet he's not lifting his travel ban or taking in Syrian refugees...
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Trump's missile attack on the military base was the response of a compassionate man.

And yet he's not lifting his travel ban or taking in Syrian refugees...


Yeah. He's not compassionate in any way.
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He's opportunistic
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And now as POTUS, he knows what the real agenda is.
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I think he does have compassion BP - even though I'm aware that it's safer to stick with the gross caricature and run for the cover of cynicism . He's not evil. We can't chalk him up alongside Idi Amin and Pol Pot. Stand him next to Kim Jong Il, and he looks like the better date. At his worst, he's a conceited, money-driven, volatile hedonist. His focus has always been feathering his own nest, and now as POTUS, America is within the zealously guarded perimeters of his own private back yard. I'm not keen on Trump - anyone that runs their mouth off and tweets like a teenager is capable of starting World War III just through lack of diplomacy. All that said - can you really not believe that he would take issue with the use of chemical weapons against civilians? Trump never had any plans to intervene with Syria - he's always advocated staying out of it and serving the U.S first and foremost. "What will we get from bombing Syria besides more debt and possible long-term conflict?" Bombing the military base was executed on a whim. I find it credible that he sat in front of the t.v with his family and exchanged exactly the same "Oh dear God " commentary with his wife as millions of other households. Yes, I think he has compassion - and it's just as flawed and as capricious as mine. I'm 'moved' by the plight of the refugees huddling in squalor at Calais - but relieved that they're being peeled off of our lorries to prevent them from swarming Britain. I donate to Red Cross - but I wouldn't roll my sleeves up and join in with their efforts. I give pocket-change to the homeless - but I wouldn't offer them a bed or a meal under my own roof. I'm looking out on acres of lush, rolling countryside - how quickly would my compassion evaporate if they parked the displaced and shell-shocked in their thousands here?

Trump will bomb the fuck out of anything that looks at America the wrong way. He won't willingly offer sanctuary to refugees. His ignorance and prejudices will ever manifest as racism. He won't get seriously involved in anything that isn't self-serving. He'll rage against terrorism because 9/11 was personal. He'll likely go down in history as the ultimate presidential maverick - and the World knew this before he was voted in. But.. I still believe he's capable of compassion - even though it's as shallow and as inadequate as my own.
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I think he does have compassion BP - even though I'm aware that it's safer to stick with the gross caricature and run for the cover of cynicism . He's not evil. We can't chalk him up alongside Idi Amin and Pol Pot. Stand him next to Kim Jong Il, and he looks like the better date. At his worst, he's a conceited, money-driven, volatile hedonist. His focus has always been feathering his own nest, and now as POTUS, America is within the zealously guarded perimeters of his own private back yard. I'm not keen on Trump - anyone that runs their mouth off and tweets like a teenager is capable of starting World War III just through lack of diplomacy. All that said - can you really not believe that he would take issue with the use of chemical weapons against civilians? Trump never had any plans to intervene with Syria - he's always advocated staying out of it and serving the U.S first and foremost. "What will we get from bombing Syria besides more debt and possible long-term conflict?" Bombing the military base was executed on a whim. I find it credible that he sat in front of the t.v with his family and exchanged exactly the same "Oh dear God " commentary with his wife as millions of other households. Yes, I think he has compassion - and it's just as flawed and as capricious as mine. I'm 'moved' by the plight of the refugees huddling in squalor at Calais - but relieved that they're being peeled off of our lorries to prevent them from swarming Britain. I donate to Red Cross - but I wouldn't roll my sleeves up and join in with their efforts. I give pocket-change to the homeless - but I wouldn't offer them a bed or a meal under my own roof. I'm looking out on acres of lush, rolling countryside - how quickly would my compassion evaporate if they parked the displaced and shell-shocked in their thousands here?

Trump will bomb the fuck out of anything that looks at America the wrong way. He won't willingly offer sanctuary to refugees. His ignorance and prejudices will ever manifest as racism. He won't get seriously involved in anything that isn't self-serving. He'll rage against terrorism because 9/11 was personal. He'll likely go down in history as the ultimate presidential maverick - and the World knew this before he was voted in. But.. I still believe he's capable of compassion - even though it's as shallow and as inadequate as my own.


I see what you did here. Clever girl. It's nice to see you back, Grace.

Okay, yeah, we all have some level of compassion. I misspoke when I said he had zero. But I don't believe he was moved to the action he took as POTUS by his compassion. I believe he got into the White House by promising a disaffected voting block some things he did not believe (and never meant to implement), and is now actively, carefully, and slowly moving out of those positions. He won't build a wall. He won't repeal and replace Obamacare (political suicide). And... he won't be able to stop the American military agenda that's been going on since the end of WWII. Namely: making the rest of the world into good trading partners. Syrias leader is not playing ball with us financially. We can't just say that, so we wait for an opportunity and then punch him in the gut when it appears justified. There'll be more until Assad is out or complies.

In some ways the bombing of Syria is good for American business. Those bombs are expensive and the companies that sell them are boosting our economy.

It's probably boring, but I do believe that once a person gets into the White House they have little or no choice but to get on the train. And that if a president were to seriously try and derail the choo-choo, they'd get the JFK, RFK treatment.
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Of course, I could have saved all that bluster and just said: 'Grace plus Trumpty, sittin' in a tree...! Neener neener neener.'
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I think the War Party at least briefly co-opted tRUMP.

One one hand, you might not be able to apply logic to Assad, BUT

He was winning, had ISIS on the run = why would he risk it by gassing his own people? I'm more inclined to believe that he bombed Isis and they had the gas, and it was collateral damage.

There's other reasons why I think it was a dumb move on tRUMP's part....
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I think the War Party at least briefly co-opted tRUMP.

One one hand, you might not be able to apply logic to Assad, BUT

He was winning, had ISIS on the run = why would he risk it by gassing his own people? I'm more inclined to believe that he bombed Isis and they had the gas, and it was collateral damage.

There's other reasons why I think it was a dumb move on tRUMP's part....


Maybe our intelligence community is lying. Maybe.

But we have satellite technology and pretty much can track the planes loading the weapons and taking off and dropping the bombs with exceptional accuracy. There is very little that happens on the planet, we can't pinpoint and analyze.

Still... planes took off from that airbase we bombed on the following day, so the effectiveness of the attack was minimal. Intentionally so? Dunno.

Something's going on but I don't think it's what you think.
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We've been told that there was proof before that Assad gassed his own people - to find out that ISIS/ISIL had gassed people in Syria. US response to the initial accusations was, under the "leadership" of stalwarts like McCain and Lipstick Lyndsey Gram to funnel arms to "moderate muslim rebels" in Syria, who turned out to be .... Al Quaida....


Even if there as real proof, I am disappointed in the 2017 version of 'Murrica, Wurld Poleece. Not my idea of the inaugural promise of 'Murica First.
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Campaign promises are one thing, but when you actually get into the Oval Office, you get with the plan. I saw George W. on tv the other day and he said the same thing they all say: " once you get in office and see what's really going on, it changes you."

Nice to have idealistic ideas, but the machine is on a path that can't be stopped. It's going there. Derail it, or attempt to, and get whacked.
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Campaign promises are one thing, but when you actually get into the Oval Office, you get with the plan. I saw George W. on tv the other day and he said the same thing they all say: " once you get in office and see what's really going on, it changes you."

Nice to have idealistic ideas, but the machine is on a path that can't be stopped. It's going there. Derail it, or attempt to, and get whacked.
If you really believe your statement then you should completely eschew any political activity beyond a local level and stock up on old Mexican Silver Pesos, Toilet Paper, and load/reload a lot of cartridges. Perhaps garden an acre or so with heirloom seeds/plants. I'll raise tobacco this year, not to smoke but for sell and barter, and perhaps a little bit to deworm goats....
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I'm not buying the "compassionate man" man angle on Trump. People have been suffering and dying in the Middle East for decades, in no small part due to our intervention -- and Trump's reaction up to this point has been "stay out of it."

So it takes pictures of dying children for it to sink in? Strikes me as someone who lacks emotional intelligence, who needs to be hit on the head in order for his empathy to kick in.

Also consider the public record -- Trump has never done anything to help anyone but himself or unless there is something in it for him. I find it rather hard to believe this is any different.
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