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Originally Posted by moonpunter View Post
A truly benevolent leader would work to rehabilitate the drug addicts and solve the problems that make them turn to drugs in the first place.


Maybe this is how a truly benevolent tyrant makes immediate progress regarding the immediate problem.

Rehab or Rubout

www.inquirer.net/duterte/drug-rehab-4


Perhaps you would like to know more about his overall vision for bringing his country up from its current standard of living conditions?

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Maybe this is how a truly benevolent tyrant
Tyrant and dictator only have a negative connotation in more modern times.

In ancient Greece and Rome it only meant one-person rule that was employed in times of crisis.
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Tyrant and dictator only have a negative connotation in more modern times.

In ancient Greece and Rome it only meant one-person rule that was employed in times of crisis.

The Philippine culture/country is in crisis.

Duterte (one person) is ruling with a "my way or go away" policy.

And yeah, a lot of other country big wigs say he is acting in a negative manner although none of them (their countries) appear to be drug/crime free as a result of their policies.
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The Philippine culture/country is in crisis.
You seem to be actively trying NOT to understand. Even when I said:

In a purely theoretical exercise one good person would be the most effective because you wouldn't have layers of bureaucracy to interfere with the operation of the system.
I really don't know what else I can say.
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Originally Posted by moonpunter View Post
You seem to be actively trying NOT to understand. Even when I said:



I really don't know what else I can say.

Okay, I see now. You are interested in discoursing on theory.


Me, I am into what is happening in the 3D world and examining how close it is aligned with theoretical profiles.
i.e. a benevolent tyrant.

Hope this clarifies things.

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Yes because you still don't understand that "tyrant" or "dictator" does not instantly mean a psychopath like Duerte or Hitler or Stalin.

From our old friend Wikipedia:

Under a dictatorship, the government is run by one person who has all the power over the people in a country. Originally, the Roman Republic made dictators to lead during time of war. The Roman dictators (and Greek tyrants) were not always bad.
By the way, the Philippines isn't even a dictatorship, so you might want to stop using that as an example.

Try to expand your perception a little.

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Originally Posted by moonpunter View Post
Yes because you still don't understand that "tyrant" or "dictator" does not instantly mean a psychopath like Duerte or Hitler or Stalin.

From our old friend Wikipedia:



By the way, the Philippines isn't even a dictatorship, so you might want to stop using that as an example.

Try to expand your perception a little.

Right.
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Touche.
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Mr. Pierce, where do you think that guy, what is his name ... oh yeah, Assad, Bashar al-Assad, where do you think he would fit in this ... ahem ... discussion?

Really couldn't say, Nick.
Maybe it is best just to move to another topic.

Yeah, P.
I do believe you are correct.
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Mr. Pierce, where do you think that guy, what is his name ... oh yeah, Assad, Bashar al-Assad, where do you think he would fit in this ... ahem ... discussion?

Really couldn't say, Nick.
Maybe it is best just to move to another topic.

Yeah, P.
I do believe you are correct.
You can slot in whatever name you want. It doesn't change my point.
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Originally Posted by moonpunter View Post
You can slot in whatever name you want. It doesn't change my point.


So, in a nutshell, what is your point?

As I see it now, it's an argument for a theoretically great idea that really has no practical application, because people—real people—follow natural desires which spoil the system. Yes, there may be born an enlightened genius who could make it work for thirty or fifty years, but with no successor, or no guarantee of a successful successor.

Don't get me wrong, I love the theoretical, but reality is different. If there is no practical application, it's good for fiction, but not much else.
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A one world government in general is theoretical. Since we know that all people are corrupt, maybe a computer should run things. At least until it decides we're a threat and tries to wipe us out or use us for food like Terminator and Matrix. lol
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Originally Posted by moonpunter View Post
A one world government in general is theoretical. Since we know that all people are corrupt, maybe a computer should run things. At least until it decides we're a threat and tries to wipe us out or use us for food like Terminator and Matrix. lol


I'd say one world government is less theoretical than a BT. I really think things are headed that way, eventually. By force in many places. The internet has connected the world in a way that's hard to justify what we have now.
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Originally Posted by moonpunter View Post
A one world government in general is theoretical. Since we know that all people are corrupt, maybe a computer should run things. At least until it decides we're a threat and tries to wipe us out or use us for food like Terminator and Matrix. lol


Ah yes, again, a good idea for fiction, but a computer only does what it's programmed to do. It requires human geniuses to load it with algorithms and code to produce results. I don't believe the singularity will happen as anything other than a 'mistake' resulting in mass disruption or(god forbid) an extinction in part or whole. Either way, it will have human causation.
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I'd say one world government is less theoretical than a BT. I really think things are headed that way, eventually. By force in many places. The internet has connected the world in a way that's hard to justify what we have now.
Most work a government does could be tasked to a three year old child, if all the bureaucracy were removed. The government has to pretend they are doing something hard to justify their exorbitant pay and pension.
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Most work a government does could be tasked to a three year old child, if all the bureaucracy were removed. The government has to pretend they are doing something hard to justify their exorbitant pay and pension.


Their exorbitant pay and pensions allow them to buy the products and services business is producing, thus keeping the wheel spinning. It's give and take.
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Ah yes, again, a good idea for fiction, but a computer only does what it's programmed to do. It requires human geniuses to load it with algorithms and code to produce results. I don't believe the singularity will happen as anything other than a 'mistake' resulting in mass disruption or(god forbid) an extinction in part or whole. Either way, it will have human causation.
Yep, but check out what the human geniuses are being tasked with;
-trying to get people to click on ads
-trying to get people to sign on to a social network

The singularity should have been and gone years and years ago, shortly after the Ancient Greeks, just check out what they were capable of back then, that the world had to "re-discover".
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Yep, but check out what the human geniuses are being tasked with;

-trying to get people to click on ads

-trying to get people to sign on to a social network



The singularity should have been and gone years and years ago, shortly after the Ancient Greeks, just check out what they were capable of back then, that the world had to "re-discover".


That was a major 'correction'😆
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That was a major 'correction'😆
Yep, and we are going the same way with technology, doing dumb shit.
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Most work a government does could be tasked to a three year old child, if all the bureaucracy were removed. The government has to pretend they are doing something hard to justify their exorbitant pay and pension.
LOL. That would have to be a pretty talented 3 year old. From your "Interest" thread you don't really seem to have much grasp on how things work. Maybe you're a talented 3 year old?
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LOL. That would have to be a pretty talented 3 year old. From your "Interest" thread you don't really seem to have much grasp on how things work. Maybe you're a talented 3 year old?
Well, because I am struggling to understand reality, and when I state the system is corrupt, I am incorrect, but perhaps I should quote someone else, "Since we know that all people are corrupt, maybe a computer should run things"

What is the problem with government? According to this person, the problem is corruption.

Why couldn't a child (in absence of the bureaucracy) who watches Elmo do a better job?

Question: I have two one dollar bills, here you go child you are the government, there are two people in your society, yourself and your friend. Please distribute this money;

Child: <gives one dollar to the friend and keeps the second dollar for their self>
President: <pockets both one dollar bills and makes a speech to distract the child while doing so>
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Their exorbitant pay and pensions allow them to buy the products and services business is producing, thus keeping the wheel spinning. It's give and take.
That's probably why most products are dumb
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That's probably why most products are dumb


Yeah, I think so.
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Well, because I am struggling to understand reality, and when I state the system is corrupt, I am incorrect, but perhaps I should quote someone else, "Since we know that all people are corrupt, maybe a computer should run things"

What is the problem with government? According to this person, the problem is corruption.

Why couldn't a child (in absence of the bureaucracy) who watches Elmo do a better job?

Question: I have two one dollar bills, here you go child you are the government, there are two people in your society, yourself and your friend. Please distribute this money;

Child: <gives one dollar to the friend and keeps the second dollar for their self>
President: <pockets both one dollar bills and makes a speech to distract the child while doing so>
You really have no concept of what government employees do, do you? Ignorance is bliss I suppose.
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You really have no concept of what government employees do, do you? Ignorance is bliss I suppose.
What are the government employees doing? Are they doing what they were elected to do?
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What are the government employees doing? Are they doing what they were elected to do?
Most government employees aren't elected. They're hired like everywhere else.
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Most government employees aren't elected. They're hired like everywhere else.
Employed by the government to do a job, or to play with their doodles?
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Employed by the government to do a job, or to play with their doodles?
Who do you think processes checks, writes reports, and does research for the Congresspersons and judges? The swarm of little people. 😁
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Who do you think processes checks, writes reports, and does research for the Congresspersons and judges? The swarm of little people. 😁

Could any of this be done by computers?
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Employed by the government to do a job, or to play with their doodles?

We once had a president who could do both.

And at the same time.



Okay.
He did have an assistant.
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