WritersBeat.com
 

Go Back   WritersBeat.com > Write Here > Free Writing

Free Writing Plot bunnies, random musings, etc. No one-liners.


Logosian Proverbs

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #61  
Old 07-12-2015, 12:44 PM
JoeMatt (Offline)
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 6,394
Thanks: 441
Thanks 1,526
Default


Originally Posted by Logos View Post
But all these tangents aside and getting to the real issue, I find it a little interesting that, 2 pages in now, and most of the responses have been criticisms against me personally or else assumptions as to my motives for posting. But few have addressed the actual content of the OP -- excepting the ones that responded to the "sexual" issues.

I would have expected an intelligent people to read and respond by either saying: "Number such-and-such is true." Then offer life experience to prove it. Or else: "Number such-and-such doesn't mirror my experience, because..."

But there's none of this. Why? I wonder.
Most proverbs and aphorisms and other pithy sayings that have stood the test of time are fairly simple truths -- usually concise and presented in some way that makes them clever and memorable -- clear metaphor, humor, word play etc. But once you get past the presentation, the sentiments are usually fairly cliche.

When they lack any kind of artistry -- and they're written in a stilted, overly formal manner in some attempt to give them gravitas -- then you're left with nothing but clumsy banalities -- at best. Never mind the heavy-handed moralizing.

So the idea that we're supposed to feel compelled to plow through these things and comment on any number of them individually or seriously consider them as any kind of wisdom is really funny to me.

No -- I think after a cursory review, intelligent people are going to dismiss the whole concept altogether as someone's exercise in self-importance.

You might take away something from the banter and all these comments -- if you make an attempt to get past your feelings and look at this objectively -- and that is that just maybe, your proverbs are kind of silly and maybe you should spend your time writing something else.

So sorry -- it looks to me like you've gotten plenty of valid feedback -- it just hasn't been obvious to you -- and it's not what you wanted to hear.


Last edited by JoeMatt; 07-12-2015 at 01:04 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #62  
Old 07-12-2015, 01:13 PM
Logos (Offline)
Pencil pusher
Official Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 22
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by JoeMatt View Post
So sorry -- it looks to me like you've gotten plenty of valid feedback -- it just hasn't been obvious to you -- and it's not what you wanted to hear.
I posted this to see how the critics would respond. So I would say I got exactly what I wanted to hear.

However, I was also hoping there would be those who would critique the content itself -- rather than just criticizing the writer and his choice of structure, and completely ignoring the ideas behind what was written.
Reply With Quote
  #63  
Old 07-12-2015, 01:16 PM
daes13's Avatar
daes13 (Offline)
Heartbreaking Writer of Staggering Genius
Official Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: At 1040 MPH... So I'm not sure
Posts: 1,334
Thanks: 328
Thanks 342
Default

Welcome to WritersBeat Fight Club!!!
__________________
I'd rather feel the prick of a thorn than smell the sweetness of a rose...
Reply With Quote
  #64  
Old 07-12-2015, 01:37 PM
brianpatrick's Avatar
brianpatrick (Online)
Verbosity Pales
Official Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Arizona
Posts: 3,842
Thanks: 361
Thanks 847
Default

Originally Posted by Nacia View Post
69 is however totally banned as far as my world is concerned
a mouth is for eating food and nothing else.
I totally deject reject the idea of 69

I would disagree with number 69 on different terms. If my wife did not like this, I would be fine with that. How could someone be disappointed with another persons serious choices or preferences? That wouldn't be love.
Reply With Quote
  #65  
Old 07-12-2015, 02:18 PM
Nacia's Avatar
Nacia (Offline)
Legend
Official Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: London, England.
Posts: 9,636
Thanks: 2,233
Thanks 883
Default

Originally Posted by brianpatrick View Post
I would disagree with number 69 on different terms. If my wife did not like this, I would be fine with that. How could someone be disappointed with another persons serious choices or preferences? That wouldn't be love.
what are the other terms?
I mean 69 is something that happens in porn
that is when I first came across it I never heard it or seen it before.
__________________
the world is a school
so big you could fool a ruler for a cooler
and each city is a classroom
you could be in an air loom to last you to the moon
Reply With Quote
  #66  
Old 07-12-2015, 02:20 PM
Nacia's Avatar
Nacia (Offline)
Legend
Official Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: London, England.
Posts: 9,636
Thanks: 2,233
Thanks 883
Default

Originally Posted by Logos View Post
I posted this to see how the critics would respond. So I would say I got exactly what I wanted to hear.

However, I was also hoping there would be those who would critique the content itself -- rather than just criticizing the writer and his choice of structure, and completely ignoring the ideas behind what was written.
how can you critique a list o proverbs when there are 241 of them and all sound very personal?
it is a critical situation
__________________
the world is a school
so big you could fool a ruler for a cooler
and each city is a classroom
you could be in an air loom to last you to the moon
Reply With Quote
  #67  
Old 07-12-2015, 02:30 PM
Logos (Offline)
Pencil pusher
Official Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 22
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by brianpatrick View Post
If my wife did not like this, I would be fine with that. How could someone be disappointed with another persons serious choices or preferences? That wouldn't be love.
So by the very same barameter, how would you respond if your wife decided to exercise her "choices", and stop having sex with you altogether? Or what if she decided to use her "preferences" to have a gang-bang with all your friends?

Would this not disappoint you? Or would you reduce yourself to accepting her choices and preferences, and claim it as "love"?

Originally Posted by Nacia
how can you critique a list o proverbs when there are 241 of them and all sound very personal?
Why not select one or two that seem to resonate with you, perhaps based on personal experience? Then argue from your own observations in life.

They're all written based on the observable causes and effects of nature or human relations.
Reply With Quote
  #68  
Old 07-12-2015, 02:50 PM
brianpatrick's Avatar
brianpatrick (Online)
Verbosity Pales
Official Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Arizona
Posts: 3,842
Thanks: 361
Thanks 847
Default

Following the birth of our second and third children, she did stop having sex for quite a while; long past the physical healing process. I told her if we never had sex again, I would deal with it—and I meant it. It did come back, but I wasn't at all sure it would.

I love sex, but it is not what defines my love for my wife.

Gang bang? Sure. I'd go for that if its what she wanted.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to brianpatrick For This Useful Post:
JoeMatt (07-12-2015)
  #69  
Old 07-12-2015, 02:52 PM
Nacia's Avatar
Nacia (Offline)
Legend
Official Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: London, England.
Posts: 9,636
Thanks: 2,233
Thanks 883
Default

Originally Posted by brianpatrick View Post
Following the birth of our second and third children, she did stop having sex for quite a while; long past the physical healing process. I told her if we never had sex again, I would deal with it—and I meant it. It did come back, but I wasn't at all sure it would.

I love sex, but it is not what defines my love for my wife.

Gang bang? Sure. I'd go for that if its what she wanted.
I am hoping you are joking on this one
__________________
the world is a school
so big you could fool a ruler for a cooler
and each city is a classroom
you could be in an air loom to last you to the moon
Reply With Quote
  #70  
Old 07-12-2015, 02:56 PM
brianpatrick's Avatar
brianpatrick (Online)
Verbosity Pales
Official Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Arizona
Posts: 3,842
Thanks: 361
Thanks 847
Default

Originally Posted by Nacia View Post
I am hoping you are joking on this one

Nope.
Reply With Quote
  #71  
Old 07-12-2015, 02:59 PM
Nacia's Avatar
Nacia (Offline)
Legend
Official Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: London, England.
Posts: 9,636
Thanks: 2,233
Thanks 883
Default

Originally Posted by brianpatrick View Post
Nope.
I think it for your own sake
we all have to draw the line at least once in our lives in order to find a balance
but there you go
each to their own
__________________
the world is a school
so big you could fool a ruler for a cooler
and each city is a classroom
you could be in an air loom to last you to the moon
Reply With Quote
  #72  
Old 07-12-2015, 03:04 PM
JoeMatt (Offline)
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 6,394
Thanks: 441
Thanks 1,526
Default

Originally Posted by Logos View Post
So by the very same barameter, how would you respond if your wife decided to exercise her "choices", and stop having sex with you altogether? Or what if she decided to use her "preferences" to have a gang-bang with all your friends?

Would this not disappoint you? Or would you reduce yourself to accepting her choices and preferences, and claim it as "love"?
Most people enter into marriage with an understanding that you'll have ongoing sexual intercourse. Otherwise, you'll work out ways to satisfy each other that are fun and keep things exciting. In a loving relationship, it's process of give and take -- and you don't always get what you want. That's what BP is talking about.

Not wanting to have sex at all is a game changer that can lead to all kinds of other problems -- infidelity may be one of them. And of course, all of it's disappointing. That would be obvious to anyone. It's not just the same as not wanting a certain kind of oral sex -- unless at some point it was an agreed upon requirement or expectation.

This is why reducing complex situations like marriage and sexual compatibly down to simplistic statements is so pointless. And it's equally pointless to try and use the very same barometer under all conditions and to measure different things.

Last edited by JoeMatt; 07-12-2015 at 03:08 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #73  
Old 07-12-2015, 03:10 PM
JoeMatt (Offline)
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 6,394
Thanks: 441
Thanks 1,526
Default

Originally Posted by brianpatrick View Post
Gang bang? Sure. I'd go for that if its what she wanted.
OR -- it could be what every wants and it's agreed upon. Therefore -- no problem.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to JoeMatt For This Useful Post:
brianpatrick (07-12-2015)
  #74  
Old 07-12-2015, 03:12 PM
Logos (Offline)
Pencil pusher
Official Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 22
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Default

I think it comes down to this:

Given the option, while a wife performs fellatio, would most guys rather she pulled him out before he came -- or keep him in until he was done?

I imagine most, if not all, guys would choose the latter.

But what are your guys' thoughts on that?

And as for woman:

Apparently its rare for women to ejaculate, but if you did, would it be a turn-on if your man consumed your juices, took them into his mouth but spit them out later, or let them nowhere near his mouth?
Reply With Quote
  #75  
Old 07-12-2015, 03:17 PM
brianpatrick's Avatar
brianpatrick (Online)
Verbosity Pales
Official Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Arizona
Posts: 3,842
Thanks: 361
Thanks 847
Default

Originally Posted by JoeMatt View Post
OR -- it could be what every wants and it's agreed upon. Therefore -- no problem.

I figured that was implied. What dude wouldn't want a gang bang with the wife's permission?

I'd have to draw the line with male on male gay sex for her pleasure, but most anything else? Why not?
Reply With Quote
  #76  
Old 07-12-2015, 03:31 PM
JoeMatt (Offline)
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 6,394
Thanks: 441
Thanks 1,526
Default

Originally Posted by brianpatrick View Post
I figured that was implied. What dude wouldn't want a gang bang with the wife's permission?

I'd have to draw the line with male on male gay sex for her pleasure, but most anything else? Why not?
Heh.

But seriously -- I'd be extremely worried and disappointed if it came up. Maybe it works for some people, but from what I've seen, the transition to some kind of open marriage is usually the beginning of the end. The people who can come close to making it work usually have ground rules -- but then emotions and jealousy kick in at some point and then it all falls apart. It just seems far to risky a thing to me.

On the other hand, I've read stuff that says people who have open relationship have a "healthier" view of sex and that it actually leads to stronger marriages. But I guess I'm pretty skeptical.

Otherwise, knowing my wife, I'd say that it would be a cold day in hell...
Reply With Quote
  #77  
Old 07-12-2015, 04:07 PM
brianpatrick's Avatar
brianpatrick (Online)
Verbosity Pales
Official Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Arizona
Posts: 3,842
Thanks: 361
Thanks 847
Default

Cold day in hell for my wife too... But she has some hot friends! Ha ha.

The disease factor alone would keep her out of that stuff.

We have some friends—a married couple—who have been into swinging forever. They openly swap partners and have told us more than once that they would 'fuck the hell out of us,' if we ever wanted. They seem happy, but I think their marriage has always been based on this activity. My wife is good in the sack, but she is pretty conservative in life. I would probably be concerned if she suddenly decided to break from her usual stance—for that reason alone. If she truly had a life shift, and could explain it rationally, I would be okay with it.
Reply With Quote
  #78  
Old 07-12-2015, 05:35 PM
JoeMatt (Offline)
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 6,394
Thanks: 441
Thanks 1,526
Default

Yeah -- see, just that those comments would make my wife very uncomfortable -- but not in a judgmental way at all. She's pretty conservative about sex -- but you wouldn't think so because she's pretty much of a hippie and very liberal about most things. And she's not conservative about other people's sex lives either.

We were married at 23, and before that she had very little experience, and it was with someone in authority who really took advantage of her. It was a very bad experience -- so I pretty much had to get her over that. We were together almost 3 months before we had any kind of really intimate contact. On the other hand, my girlfriend for two years prior was a wild, wild woman -- so it was an adjustment for me. But I thought she was an amazing woman and I knew it would be worth it.

I can't even begin to imagine her breaking her usual stance. It would be very shocking. I suppose nothing is impossible -- and I'm guessing we've been together about 1/2 as long as you all -- so who knows.

First and foremost, we're best friends. Do I wish she'd just go crazy now and then -- yeah. But that's just her -- not very adventurous. Several years ago, we were staying with friends at their cabin which had one room. I convinced her to sneak out -- and we did the deed in the moonlight on out on the the dock -- and she's still talking about it.
Reply With Quote
  #79  
Old 07-12-2015, 06:12 PM
Prodigalson's Avatar
Prodigalson (Offline)
Homer's Odyssey Was Nothing
Moderator
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Humboldt Co., CA
Posts: 2,009
Thanks: 205
Thanks 357
Default

Two hundred and forty one of these fucking things?

I think the only one that applies is #241.
__________________
Mr. Ed said I should use his signature, since he's not anymore. In honor of his good friend Nok, here it is: "As far as smoking a cigar," she said, "I'd not know where to start or how to start." "It's simple," said I, "You light one end and chew on the other and hope to meet in the middle."
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote
  #80  
Old 07-12-2015, 06:29 PM
JoeMatt (Offline)
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 6,394
Thanks: 441
Thanks 1,526
Default

[74] Backsides were made for defecation, and nothing else; those who use it otherwise sin against their own lives.
[69] A wife who takes not her husband’s seed into her mouth is a disappointment to him.
How come it's not:

"A mouth is for eating and talking, and nothing else; those who use it otherwise sin against their own lives."

And where's the proverb for hand jobs?
Reply With Quote
  #81  
Old 07-12-2015, 06:32 PM
Prodigalson's Avatar
Prodigalson (Offline)
Homer's Odyssey Was Nothing
Moderator
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Humboldt Co., CA
Posts: 2,009
Thanks: 205
Thanks 357
Default

Don't encourage him, Joe.
__________________
Mr. Ed said I should use his signature, since he's not anymore. In honor of his good friend Nok, here it is: "As far as smoking a cigar," she said, "I'd not know where to start or how to start." "It's simple," said I, "You light one end and chew on the other and hope to meet in the middle."
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote
  #82  
Old 07-12-2015, 06:50 PM
brianpatrick's Avatar
brianpatrick (Online)
Verbosity Pales
Official Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Arizona
Posts: 3,842
Thanks: 361
Thanks 847
Default

Originally Posted by JoeMatt View Post
How come it's not:

"A mouth is for eating and talking, and nothing else; those who use it otherwise sin against their own lives."

And where's the proverb for hand jobs?

(242) if you close your eyes and use your other hand, it feels like someone is doing it for you!

That work?
Reply With Quote
  #83  
Old 07-12-2015, 07:00 PM
JoeMatt (Offline)
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 6,394
Thanks: 441
Thanks 1,526
Default

Originally Posted by brianpatrick View Post
(242) if you close your eyes and use your other hand, it feels like someone is doing it for you!

That work?
No, no. And that's really about masturbation. But how about this --

[242] When pleasuring himself, if a man closes his eyes and uses the other hand that he does not usually use to pleasure himself, then it feels as if another is performing the act for him and thus it is more pleasurable.

Better?
Reply With Quote
  #84  
Old 07-12-2015, 07:39 PM
Prodigalson's Avatar
Prodigalson (Offline)
Homer's Odyssey Was Nothing
Moderator
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Humboldt Co., CA
Posts: 2,009
Thanks: 205
Thanks 357
Default

Amateurs, both of you. You must lay on your arm until it goes to sleep, then masturbate with it.

Then it truly seems like someone else.
__________________
Mr. Ed said I should use his signature, since he's not anymore. In honor of his good friend Nok, here it is: "As far as smoking a cigar," she said, "I'd not know where to start or how to start." "It's simple," said I, "You light one end and chew on the other and hope to meet in the middle."
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote
  #85  
Old 07-12-2015, 08:08 PM
JoeMatt (Offline)
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 6,394
Thanks: 441
Thanks 1,526
Default

Okay so...

[242] If a man does lie on his arm until the arm falls into slumber like a sleeping dog, then the man uses the sleeping appendage to pleasure himself, then truly it does not feel like his hand but like the hand of a lover.

How about that?
Reply With Quote
  #86  
Old 07-12-2015, 09:12 PM
Fernias (Offline)
Copyist
Official Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 50
Thanks: 3
Thanks 15
Default

[243] He who indulges too freely in 242 will truly find a foreign hand upon him when gangrene strips him of his arm while yet the fingers clutch his cock.
Reply With Quote
  #87  
Old 07-12-2015, 11:23 PM
Prodigalson's Avatar
Prodigalson (Offline)
Homer's Odyssey Was Nothing
Moderator
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Humboldt Co., CA
Posts: 2,009
Thanks: 205
Thanks 357
Default

Originally Posted by JoeMatt View Post
Okay so...

[242] If a man does lie on his arm until the arm falls into slumber like a sleeping dog, then the man uses the sleeping appendage to pleasure himself, then truly it does not feel like his hand but like the hand of a lover.

How about that?
Or the hand of his dog.
__________________
Mr. Ed said I should use his signature, since he's not anymore. In honor of his good friend Nok, here it is: "As far as smoking a cigar," she said, "I'd not know where to start or how to start." "It's simple," said I, "You light one end and chew on the other and hope to meet in the middle."
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote
  #88  
Old 07-14-2015, 08:56 AM
Mohican's Avatar
Mohican (Offline)
Tall Poppy
Administration
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Not quite back of beyond
Posts: 3,849
Thanks: 330
Thanks 651
Default

or one from my teen years

Yey though I walk through the Valley of the Shadow of Death, I will fear no evil, because I'm the meanest Son of a Bitch in the Valley.
__________________
If you surrender a civilization to avoid social disapproval, you should know that all of history will curse you for your cowardliness - Alice Teller

If John of Patmos would browse the internet today for half an hour, I don't know if the Book of Revelations would be entirely different or entirely the same.
Reply With Quote
  #89  
Old 08-30-2015, 06:49 PM
Konan's Avatar
Konan (Offline)
The Next Bard
Official Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 406
Thanks: 79
Thanks 58
Default

Some good stuff in here, but also some downright terrible stuff. :S
Reply With Quote
  #90  
Old 12-25-2015, 08:34 AM
Logos (Offline)
Pencil pusher
Official Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 22
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by Nacia View Post
69 is however totally banned as far as my world is concerned
a mouth is for eating food and nothing else.
I totally deject reject the idea of 69
Funny that this proverb ended up being number 69, don't you think?
Reply With Quote
Reply

  WritersBeat.com > Write Here > Free Writing


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Beware The Adulteress ( based on proverbs 7) feste Poetry 1 10-08-2009 03:47 PM
Insomnia's Proverbs and an Untitled Poem RosettaStoned Poetry 7 06-28-2009 08:35 AM


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 07:34 PM.

vBulletin, Copyright © 2000-2006, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.