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Why is it so unpopular in modern fiction?

As a reader, I have always disliked close third; I prefer the ambiguity that can be injected into character using omniscient, or at least remote third. I dislike having all the answers given on a plate, every thought process stated and every motivation telegraphed.

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I love close third.

People don't always know what they're doing or why -- or what's going to happen and how they will react. And there's plenty of room for ambiguity in the backstory or lack of it.

If you're writing in close third and you're providing all the answers -- you're doing something wrong.

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I love close third.

People don't always know what they're doing or why -- or what's going to happen and how they will react. And there's plenty of room for ambiguity in the backstory or lack of it.

If you're writing in close third and you're providing all the answers -- you're doing something wrong.
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As long as it wasn't a wet t-shirt contest.

Besides, when you think of all the brilliant novels and short stories written in close third...
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As long as it wasn't a wet t-shirt contest.

Besides, when you think of all the brilliant novels and short stories written in close third...
No wet T shirt. Just an extremely ungainly crash at the finishing line. Soul-destroying when I had navigated my way down the mountains with such speed and competency.

Yes, I agree with you about close third. (There. On topic.)
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ooh, you are all awful. You did not take my question seriously and you are all awful, ooh.
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ooh, you are all awful. You did not take my question seriously and you are all awful, ooh.
No worries.

There is wonderful writing and shit writing -- and everything in between -- in every P.O.V.

I would never exclude anything base on P.O.V. -- if it's done well, I might be into it a page or two before it crosses my mind...
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And this may seem like an odd thing to say on a writing site -- but I loath general writing discussion.

So I like to talk about a specific piece of writing or an author or I can discuss something someone has posted -- but the rest of it tends to be bullshit.

So don't take it personally...
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And this may seem like an odd thing to say on a writing site -- but I loath general writing discussion.

So I like to talk about a specific piece of writing or an author or I can discuss something someone has posted -- but the rest of it tends to be bullshit.

So don't take it personally...

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Honestly, I don't know the difference between close third, omniscient, and distant third... unless we're talking about cousins. Well... no... not even then.

I never think about POV at all. Yeah, I understand first person and third person, and that nasty present tense. Otherwise, I just write.

Maybe I'm uneducated.
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Honestly, I don't know the difference between close third, omniscient, and distant third... unless we're talking about cousins. Well... no... not even then.

I never think about POV at all. Yeah, I understand first person and third person, and that nasty present tense. Otherwise, I just write.

Maybe I'm uneducated.
The twat in me said "of course not", then the honest part said, they are so different this must be a joke. Is it a joke?
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The twat in me said "of course not", then the honest part said, they are so different this must be a joke. Is it a joke?


Nope. Not a joke.

I never think about it.

Somehow analyzing writing on that level is beyond me. Or, beyond my desire to understand.

I know when it works and when it doesn't. All the rest is just talking about writing.
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Nope. Not a joke.

I never think about it.

Somehow analyzing writing on that level is beyond me. Or, beyond my desire to understand.

I know when it works and when it doesn't. All the rest is just talking about writing.
Close third is when the character is intimately involved with circumstances and you experience their interior monologue. Distant third is when you follow a character but some ambiguity and distance is retained. Omniscient is when you have an over-riding narrator who picks and chooses which character you experience. Sort of.
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Nope. Not a joke.

I never think about it.

Somehow analyzing writing on that level is beyond me. Or, beyond my desire to understand.

I know when it works and when it doesn't. All the rest is just talking about writing.
Well, I think about it now -- since I started writing.

But it doesn't necessarily matter to me.

I read countless novels before I gave P.O.V. or tense etc. a second thought. It didn't inhibit my understanding or enjoyment at all.

I almost wish I could go back to that frame of mind.

And it doesn't really cross my mind when I sit down to write either -- it's all about story and character. I just use the P.O.V. that feels right.
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Well, I think about it now -- since I started writing.

But it doesn't necessarily matter to me.

I read countless novels before I gave P.O.V. or tense etc. a second thought. It didn't inhibit my understanding or enjoyment at all.

I almost wish I could go back to that frame of mind.

And it doesn't really cross my mind when I sit down to write either -- it's all about story and character. I just use the P.O.V. that feels right.
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If this was my idea of fun -- then shoot me now.
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Originally Posted by Chinspinner View Post
Close third is when the character is intimately involved with circumstances and you experience their interior monologue. Distant third is when you follow a character but some ambiguity and distance is retained. Omniscient is when you have an over-riding narrator who picks and chooses which character you experience. Sort of.


Thanks, that makes sense. Not sure how it could help my writing though.
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