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Madonna thinks Pop music today sucks, too. http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...unds-same.html

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Sour grapes. Madonna's opinion is about the same as a lot of other old folks who think "music today" is the stuff on the radio or what they promote on the streaming services, etc.

It doesn't work that way anymore. You have to seek out good new music -- no one is going to spoon feed it to you over the radio or MTV like they did in her heyday.
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You can't have a society that feminizes young men and have burly macho singers at the same time. Boys in schools these days are shamed for what once considered "being a boy". The end result is that your boys turn out like Ken Dolls.
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Originally Posted by E. Zamora View Post
Sour grapes. Madonna's opinion is about the same as a lot of other old folks who think "music today" is the stuff on the radio or what they promote on the streaming services, etc.

It doesn't work that way anymore. You have to seek out good new music -- no one is going to spoon feed it to you over the radio or MTV like they did in her heyday.
Some of Madonna's stuff followed the mass-produced pop formula - easy to forget your own journey, I guess.

She also reaped the benefit of the old disco culture - dance music had such exposure then.

She's just reached that age when 'it was better in my day' is always the ready response.
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Originally Posted by Grace Gabriel View Post
Some of Madonna's stuff followed the mass-produced pop formula - easy to forget your own journey, I guess.

She also reaped the benefit of the old disco culture - dance music had such exposure then.

She's just reached that age when 'it was better in my day' is always the ready response.
You can draw a not very zig-zaggy line from her stuff to the formulaic pop-music we're getting now. All image, not much substance. She's the last person who should be whining about "today's music."

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You can't have a society that feminizes young men and have burly macho singers at the same time. Boys in schools these days are shamed for what once considered "being a boy". The end result is that your boys turn out like Ken Dolls.
Or we're just recognizing that a certain kind of superficial masculinity is a fairly useless social construct -- and guys whose self-esteem is attached to being "macho" are threatened by it. Bummer.

Is that somehow being reflected in popular music? I seriously doubt it. The guy being held out as example in this thread is a pretty straight up R&B singer (today's version of it) he just looks a little nerdy, therefore somehow "feminine." If he was buff or black he wouldn't have come up.

Otherwise, the macho aspect of rock and roll has always been a pose. You could probably easily beat the shit out of any of the noted rock and roll singers -- and their femininity and sexual ambiguity is part of what made them attractive to women -- Elvis, The Beatles, Mick Jagger, Robert Plant, David Bowie, Freddy Mercury? The list goes on. What "burly macho singers" are you talking about? Ha ha ha! Why do people who appear to be relatively intelligent just say shit without thinking it through? It's a mystery.

Yeah, so a kind of watered down, formulaic music is popular these days -- it's about how music is produced and distributed more than anything else.

Have you listened to it and actually traced the path that got us to where we are? Try it -- and you might come to some different conclusions.

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And I wouldn't worry too much. Pendulums go back and forth. Things will settle before people stop reproducing...
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Originally Posted by spshane
You can't have a society that feminizes young men and have burly macho singers at the same time. Boys in schools these days are shamed for what once considered "being a boy". The end result is that your boys turn out like Ken Dolls.

Originally Posted by E. Zamora View Post
Or we're just recognizing that a certain kind of superficial masculinity is a fairly useless social construct -- and guys whose self-esteem is attached to being "macho" are threatened by it. Bummer.

Is that somehow being reflected in popular music? I seriously doubt it. The guy being held out as example in this thread is a pretty straight up R&B singer (today's version of it) he just looks a little nerdy, therefore somehow "feminine." If he was buff or black he wouldn't have come up.

Otherwise, the macho aspect of rock and roll has always been a pose. You could probably easily beat the shit out of any of the noted rock and roll singers -- and their femininity and sexual ambiguity is part of what made them attractive to women -- Elvis, The Beatles, Mick Jagger, Robert Plant, David Bowie, Freddy Mercury? The list goes on. What "burly macho singers" are you talking about? Ha ha ha! Why do people who appear to be relatively intelligent just say shit without thinking it through? It's a mystery.

Yeah, so a kind of watered down, formulaic music is popular these days -- it's about how music is produced and distributed more than anything else.

Have you listened to it and actually traced the path that got us to where we are? Try it -- and you might come to some different conclusions.

I get what spshane is getting at, even though he didn't articulate it well. I agree that there seems to be a movement to emasculate boys, and it's a harmful thing. I also think that this "new" notion of not assigning a gender to your child is nut baggery rolled up into bad parenting.
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Originally Posted by Mohican View Post
I get what spshane is getting at, even though he didn't articulate it well. I agree that there seems to be a movement to emasculate boys, and it's a harmful thing. I also think that this "new" notion of not assigning a gender to your child is nut baggery rolled up into bad parenting.

I just took the term 'nut baggery' from that post...thanks
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