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I read on wikipedia about the Eragon book series that the biggest criticism about the series was that the writing is "too derrivative". What does this mean? And how do you avoid this in your writing?

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In Paolini's case, it means borrowing plot and themes from famous fantasy works and thinly masking them into his own 'derivative' book series.

But paolini is now a multi-millionaire and can tell his critics to suck it.

If you can figure out how to write a derivative series that sells millions of copies, I suggest you do it.

In other words: just write, and don't worry about what the critics say.
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just write, and don't worry about what the critics say.

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Yeah. What he said.

In addition I note that critics, in times of scarcity, can be utilized as a sustenance source.

Thus it is useful to tolerate their prattling.
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In addition I note that critics, in times of scarcity, can be utilized as a sustenance source.



Thus it is useful to tolerate their prattling.

Say, I think Trumpty may have mastered this technique. Sun Tzu stuff? Or maybe it was Laozi?
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Say, I think Trumpty may have mastered this technique. Sun Tzu stuff? Or maybe it was Laozi?

Book of Five Rings

Miyamoto Musashi

"Do nothing which is of no use."
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Book of Five Rings



Miyamoto Musashi



"Do nothing which is of no use."


Ah, yes. That's the book Trumpty been studying. He sure is a tricky devil. Makes um think he stupid. All the while...
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I've read that Paolini borrowed elements from Star Wars and Lord of the Rings. What elements are those?
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Star Wars was also a derivative work, although maybe less thinly veiled. It's one of thousands of versions of the Hero's Journey. Google will give you the details.
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then how are modern writers supposed to create something completely original?
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then how are modern writers supposed to create something completely original?


They are not supposed to. Here's a quote about it:

'Before I found this voice I saw all of it happen. I can't get away from it now, I'm sick with it. but then, I desperately wanted to understand what the geniuses knew. The great ones that were so much talked about, so maligned and cherished throughout history. From stone age cave paintings up through present day, I would hear people talk about them. Some would say things like: "it's so new and fresh," and I knew this wasn't enough. They didn't understand, like me. There must be more to it. A few years after this night, when I'd resigned to the realities of a straight job, I met a man who seemed to get it. He carried a copy of James Joyce's Ulysses like it was a bible. "It has to be read like poetry," he'd said, after I told him that I'd murdered my way through it and couldn't contain it's meanings—couldn't codify them into useful knowledge. To me Joyce was just the fucking Irish!

"It heals people," he'd said. He was so gentle. Now I know what he means, but I didn't then. Art doesn't explode out into new and frivolous novelties; it implodes into what's true about us all. It informs everything—literally everything—causing what looks like madness or sickness in its practitioners. One is no longer writing or painting or playing its notes. It moves itself, and it's all one can do to hang on for the ride.'
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Then why do critics point out derrivative writing in works like the Eragon series?
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Originally Posted by DwayneA View Post
Then why do critics point out derrivative writing in works like the Eragon series?


Critics have to do something. As a book, the prose is terrible (Eragon) and when a work comes out that is poorly written and still sells a lot of copies, despite its thin, derivative, obvious plot and themes, it becomes a target. 50 shades has the same problem.

A lot of the success of a book or series is timing and luck, and I'm not sure how much an author has control of such things. I'm inclined to think, not much. There are just as many terribly written books selling well as there are well written ones—maybe more. Likewise, there are some really well written works of literature that won't ever have more than a few readers, or get published.

If you're worrying about what critics are going to say about the book you're writing, you're wasting your time. Just write. Be honest. Write what you know and love. Write to please yourself. If you get lucky, somebody might read and enjoy it.
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I hate posting this again, but Buk said it all here (and more).

https://youtu.be/F_1EiVAb_O8
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