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Not sure how to explain it.

Essentially what would be a "prologue" starts the story in the middle of the book.

Example - prologue gives the guys talking about some high profiled guy they just murdered and what to do now.

The next chapters flashback / backtrack to X number of days beforehand and explain the planning / build up to the event. Then you get to the murder and continue on.

Now I know a number of prologues start this way anyways, however, how to do with without giving too much away?

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Now I know a number of prologues start this way anyways, however, how to do with without giving too much away?

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Get a ghost writer who's skill is up to the task?



That apostrophe on who's is in the wrong place, isn't it?
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Thats the Ibsen-start. You start in the middle and backtrack.
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Give your readers as much information as possible as soon as possible. To heck with suspense. Readers should have such complete understanding of what is going on, where and why, that they could finish the story themselves, should cockroaches eat the last few pages. -- Kurt Vonnegut.

Other than that, I've found that describing what the writing 'will' be, and asking for advice, is less likely to produce the results you desire, than posting a chunk of the actual work.
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Give your readers as much information as possible as soon as possible. To heck with suspense. Readers should have such complete understanding of what is going on, where and why, that they could finish the story themselves, should cockroaches eat the last few pages. -- Kurt Vonnegut.

Other than that, I've found that describing what the writing 'will' be, and asking for advice, is less likely to produce the results you desire, than posting a chunk of the actual work.
The only book I ever read by Vonnegut was Slaughterhouse Five. No insult but Vonnegut wrote for readers who needed every little detail in such black & white writing that a blind man could "see" it. In that book, he gives a rather interesting concept - the meaning of life. The potential depth to that one question could make an entire book - Kilgore answers it five seconds later with life has no meaning beyond been the eyes & ears of the Creator. Okay so then someone born deaf and blind thus has an utterly meaningless existence in the world.

I prefer writing my non-fiction or reading fiction books where the readers actually have to engage the brain and think about what is being said beyond what is on the page rather than be half asleep turning pages. Probably why I could never, even as a teenager, get past chapter 2 of books like Harry Potter.


As for sharing I probably will when I get some time next weekend.
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That apostrophe on who's is in the wrong place, isn't it?

I don't mind if the apostrophe is left hangin' but I sure would appreciate knowin' it's hangin' in the correct place.
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I don't mind if the apostrophe is left hangin' but I sure would appreciate knowin' it's hangin' in the correct place.



Oh, fudge!

I've gone off topic again.

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Hey, maybe the stool top is still warm.
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The only book I ever read by Vonnegut was Slaughterhouse Five. No insult but Vonnegut wrote for readers who needed every little detail in such black & white writing that a blind man could "see" it. In that book, he gives a rather interesting concept - the meaning of life. The potential depth to that one question could make an entire book - Kilgore answers it five seconds later with life has no meaning beyond been the eyes & ears of the Creator. Okay so then someone born deaf and blind thus has an utterly meaningless existence in the world.

I prefer writing my non-fiction or reading fiction books where the readers actually have to engage the brain and think about what is being said beyond what is on the page rather than be half asleep turning pages. Probably why I could never, even as a teenager, get past chapter 2 of books like Harry Potter.


As for sharing I probably will when I get some time next weekend.


Fair enough. What then would be a couple recommendations for 'good' fiction? Something we really have to think about. I agree with the Potter books, but we'll have to disagree about the Vonnegut.
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Oh, fudge!

I've gone off topic again.

*sigh*

Back to the corner.
Hey, maybe the stool top is still warm.


Well wouldya lookit that ... there is a copy of Strunk and White in the time out space.

Don't sweat the apostrophe question, y'all. This book has got that info and then some.

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I think you're looking at the deal wrong.

I think and I have done this,

in my case the start of the story had to have a major part of the story reveled because it was going to take several chapters to get to 'the good stuff'

what I did was take an thought provoking part of the story from the middle and post it at the top, just as it was written in the story -- sort of a preview. and then started the story without a prologue because the first chapter was the prologue and while necessary not very enchanting.


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That apostrophe on who's is in the wrong place, isn't it?
Yep. Whose is belonging to whereas who's is who is abbreviated. You want the former
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Yep. Whose is belonging to whereas who's is who is abbreviated. You want the former


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When this works, it's genius.

When it doesn't, it's tedious.

"A Prayer for Owen Meany" - genius

Screenwriters for Breaking Bad - genius

Do what they do
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Well, it is ok, I guess...
Few days ago I read an article which is written by Lisa Tener. She is a book writing coach. Maybe this will help you...
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