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Old 05-24-2014, 12:05 PM
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Perhaps there could be something done to encourage new members to comment on current topics instead of dead and buried threads?

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Old 05-24-2014, 12:37 PM
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Why? If so, why keep archives? Just dump them if they are off-limits. I think we've argued about this a couple times already, with no agreement.
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Old 05-24-2014, 12:45 PM
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I'm not saying put them off-limits. It's just that they seem to be revived for no other reason than to get a newby's post-count up to five. I was probably guilty of it myself at first.

If a new member posts on a current thread they are more likely to get a response and become involved in the conversation.
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Old 05-24-2014, 12:56 PM
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Ed, could you report the ones you see? It is in the FAQ that threads shouldn't be bumped, and it is someting we keep an eye on. But if you do spot something, please report via the report button and we can look into it.
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I'd say leave it up to the newbie. No harm done and possibly some gain from reading a forgotten piece.
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Old 05-24-2014, 01:41 PM
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As per our FAQ:

Don't be a thread necromancer. It's all right to read through old critique threads, but posting a new comment in a months-old thread serves no real purpose. The original poster will likely have revised and moved on, and there is always new work up for critique. Use your own judgement on reviving non-critique threads; if the topic you're looking at was contentious or went off topic but you really wish to discuss it, consider posting a new thread to initiate a fresh conversation with active members.
So yes, please report those you see. We try to discourage thread necromancy. Most people who do that are, yes, trying to up their post count to get around the five-post rule.

Members need to read the FAQ to avoid things like this.
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Old 05-24-2014, 01:44 PM
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Why not dump them, then? Why censor? Who cares if a newbie posts just to get access? Perhaps the archives offer better literature than the current rush to post.
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Old 05-24-2014, 03:07 PM
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The concept of dead topics is odd. The only reason to claim the threads are dead is a particular person has already posted on the subject and wants to move on, bring up a thread they have already seen does not interest them so they want it labeled dead which is self serving. At any point a person may wish to comment on something as far back as they wish why not. Who says when an idea is finished, and for whom is it finished seem on point.
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Old 05-24-2014, 04:51 PM
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Because some people like to look back at their old work and see if they can learn more from it after a while. Also, when members are writing longer works they may want to refer to earlier parts by linking to the older threads so that interested members can read them.

If an idea/topic is important enough to bring back a months or years old thread then it is important enough to start a new topic where appropriate.
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The basic question for WB is whether all posts have equal access to members. If controllers try to steer members to current posts, that, to me, is a form of censorship. If WB keeps submissions on file, those posts should be as accessible as any other post. If those in charge want to discourage comments and consideration of older posts, then say they are off limits. The site owners can, of course, do whatever they want with WB, but who is to decide when a submission has no value? In my feeble mind, only the author can make that judgment. So there. Either delete my posts or allow equal access. Sorry if I offended the Supremes.
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None take, by me at least.

I know where you are coming from; unfortunately not everybody would be sensible in an environment where there is no way to keep a cheek on bringing back old threads. If I see a necromancy that has resulted in a good discussion of the topic in the thread then I only remind people to be aware of the issue, on the other hand if it is clear to see that the purpose of the necromancy was to up the post count then it gets dealt with as appropriate.
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I'm not saying that people shouldn't be able to comment on things that interest them, Frank and sdnyer. It's just that when I see an old thread revived and I think Aha! What's the new take on this one?, when I open it up to find it's just someone going Three posts, it's kind of disappointing.

Plus, the new member is learning nothing about the interactions of members, which I believe is the purpose of the five-post rule to begin with.

So yes, my query is somewhat selfish but it also has to do with faster acculturation for new members.

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Old 05-24-2014, 07:18 PM
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Again, the question is whether WB allows access to all posts or not. If there is to be a time line, why not end responses when a post disappears from the first page? Is the site bound to preserve all posts but decide when old-age sets in? Who decides when expediency outweighs value? Perhaps we should ban the writings of Robert Frost, since they are not in the modern vernacular. Do what you will, but either allow unfettered access or delete whatever you deem unworthy because of age. Perhaps the rulers should abolish the posting requirements and let the membership sort out the wheat from the chaff. Perhaps that would also eliminate the practice of "you praise my work and I'll praise yours." In spite of the guidelines, I still count up to five posts from a single writer in less than a week. What's the point?
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You're missing the point, Frank. The point is to get the new members involved in the discussion and learn how to critique.

Throwing a comment along the lines of, "I think this is a poem and it rhymes" on an old thread, just to bump up the post count, does neither.

And, Admin, I'm not going to 'report' a post. I was just wondering if there wasn't a way to stress the rule, maybe something in the 'Introductions'?
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Old 05-24-2014, 07:46 PM
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I like looking back at the stuff we wrote back in 2006. It gives us the opportunity to see if we have changed our positions, our writing styles, etc. Some of those old debates, I like to reread, but let them rest in history.
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Old 05-24-2014, 11:49 PM
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I dont much care for fettering no matter the reasons. I also don/t much care for the relations down in general discussions. Amusements why not throw a rabbit down a fox hole. Why subject new poster to wolfs demands. Why amuse the wolfs, let them go where they please but do not feed them.


This statement is too transparent for me...

"Plus, the new member is learning nothing about the interactions of members, which I believe is the purpose of the five-post rule to begin with.
So yes, my query is somewhat selfish but it also has to do with faster acculturation for new members."

You are like junkies down there looking for a quick fix
May there be no other motive than discussing topics
must new posters bow down to the present clan

I ask you why do it get to know "the interactions of the members"
what for
running for office
perhaps looking for a wife
read their work is the best way to know them

honestly are we lost in virtual reality already

Clearly the abjection's to old post resurfacing has to do with the present clan being over it.

I find that attitude non negotiable and controlling

I would close it down altogether and be god



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Bumping an old thread with a comment like, "Good," as has happened recently, does no one any good.
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Bumping a thread with "Good" is usually a "I'm going to work around the five-post rule" statement, which we delete because, yes, it does no one any good really. Posts like that are selfish and rude, and a strong indicator that the member is only interested in posting up their own piece in a hurry for feedback, not becoming a contributing member of our community.

Happens all the time.

A "Good" in a years-old fiction thread by a member who hasn't been here in ages REALLY does no one any good. Lol!
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Then delete them. Newbies can do the same with any posts. YOUR problem is how to guide newbies to civilized participation, not just putting up roadblocks. If they are too stupid to comply, ban them. You can start with me.
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That was my whole point, Frank. A guide, not a roadblock.
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Then delete them.
Nope.

I like looking back at the stuff we wrote back in 2006. It gives us the opportunity to see if we have changed our positions, our writing styles, etc.
Because of this.

If they are too stupid to comply, ban them.
A bit drastic, don't you think?
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That's not fair!
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do drop all members which create problems for those who want a easy relaxed environment with no political or religious content

ban me you have done it twice for no reason
do it now again as I am rebellious and in your face

arranging contents so that the wolfs down in general discussion are entertained is ridiculous.
they want newbies down there so they can rip them apart
if you don't see that you are blind

rules for what
let the people free, if they want to comment then let them on what ever the age of the thread
I asume you have checked how other writing forums deal with the issue of people having requierments before they are able to post
please don't say you have not looked into it

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I'd say something...
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We try to strive for a unique type setting here at the Beat and don't wish to follow in the footsteps of other writing forums. If what you say has thoughtful meaning from an old thread we may let it stand.

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Well said.
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Ed, shut up.
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Good thread! (post count up to 680)
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Ed, shut up.
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