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Religion is an oddity, for me.

I respect people's choice to believe, if it does something for them.

I dislike celebrity atheists who preach against religion.

I do not believe, I am an atheist. If you cannot prove there is a God, I will not believe you. I will also not try to destroy your belief in a self-righteous diatribe.

Religion is often better than the alternative.
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Originally Posted by Chinspinner View Post
Religion is an oddity, for me.

I respect people's choice to believe, if it does something for them.

I dislike celebrity atheists who preach against religion.

I do not believe, I am an atheist. If you cannot prove there is a God, I will not believe you. I will also not try to destroy your belief in a self-righteous diatribe.

Religion is often better than the alternative.
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Originally Posted by Nacia View Post
alternative?
Ok, and this is purely subjective, so feel free to shoot me down. Also allow me to state the following: - The UK (despite having a head of state who is also a religious leader) is far more atheist and/ or secular society than the US (and many other countries).

Now, I talk from thre perspective of the US often, because frankly, until lately when they went mad, we tended to follow them.

OK, I will dismiss two nonsensical argument from those people who argue against atheists; and quite simply, Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin were all practising Catholics. So the concept that Nazism or Communism are atheistic constructs is just wrong.

Hang on, I forgot the question, next post...
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Originally Posted by Nacia View Post
alternative?
Ok, religion is useful in a localised way, would be my point. It does give people meaning, it does give people a construct in which they should operate, it does prevent excesses.

And also, on a local scale, if religion brings comfort to an elderly person who has lost their partner, who the hell am I to tell them they are wrong?

Not on a macro scale, on a micro scale.
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Originally Posted by Nacia View Post
Welcome back Picklebottom long time no seen. Glad you are back!!
I don't know who the Gnostics are.
Thanks! Gnosticism is “to know”, one belief of Gnosticism is the demiurge, the fake God, cf the God of The Old Testament. This is the overlap between my knowledge and that of Gnosticism. God is jealous, egotistical, power-hungry, sociopathic etc, which is a 1:1 correlation with the people in power. God is very human. Ergo, I found and know God.
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Originally Posted by Grace Gabriel View Post
Oh Nacia, my little transparent agent provocateur....

Mentioning the word 'love' three times in two sentences does nothing to hide your gleeful anticipation of creating a thread in the hope that it will turn into a blood bath.

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Originally Posted by flyingtart View Post
The Dog’s Arse Messiah was hounded off this forum by religion haters and knuckleheaded mods. Which goes to show there’s more hate than love in religion.

Is this any relation to the Flying Spaghetti Monster https://www.venganza.org/about/
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Originally Posted by Nacia View Post
Lets face it our nature is complex and love is giving.
Do we love religion as much as we love each other??

I love God but not necessarily religions.
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Originally Posted by Mohican View Post
I love God but not necessarily religions.
I find that sensible, that you can admit that organised religion is an invention of man but still believe there is a higher power. I don't personally subscribe to it, but I understand it.
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Prior to Jesus, the God organized the religion of the Jews.


Jesus, himself and then with guidance through disciples and apostles organized the early form of Christianity - which is pure at it's roots.



IMO it took a different turn at the Council of Nicea
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Prior to Jesus, the God organized the religion of the Jews.


Jesus, himself and then with guidance through disciples and apostles organized the early form of Christianity - which is pure at it's roots.



IMO it took a different turn at the Council of Nicea
Ok, and now you wandered off into left field. As you mention, Judaism pre-dates Christianity and its off-shoots by some time. But Jesus and his disciples organised it 300 years after they died? Come on!
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Originally Posted by Mohican View Post
Prior to Jesus, the God organized the religion of the Jews.


Jesus, himself and then with guidance through disciples and apostles organized the early form of Christianity - which is pure at it's roots.



IMO it took a different turn at the Council of Nicea
This is nonsense. There is no evidence God ever had a hand in any man made religions. It's more likely they were dreamed up by patriarchs obsessed with their own power.

Jesus was a spiritual guru and had no time for organised religion. He was running rings around the local clergy while still a boy. It was his subversive teaching that made the pharisees set about destroying him.
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Originally Posted by Chinspinner View Post
Ok, and now you wandered off into left field. As you mention, Judaism pre-dates Christianity and its off-shoots by some time. But Jesus and his disciples organised it 300 years after they died? Come on!


I think he’s making a distinction between the pure, raw ideas of Jesus and an organized church which came 300 years later, and didn’t really get going until the Romans converted.
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This is nonsense. There is no evidence God ever had a hand in any man made religions. It's more likely they were dreamed up by patriarchs obsessed with their own power.



Jesus was a spiritual guru and had no time for organised religion. He was running rings around the local clergy while still a boy. It was his subversive teaching that made the pharisees set about destroying him.


Yeah, I blame Paul for taking Jesus’ ideas out of context and creating a power structure with them.
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I think he’s making a distinction between the pure, raw ideas of Jesus and an organized church which came 300 years later, and didn’t really get going until the Romans converted.
There is a huge distinction between a crucified hippy and the writings of the new testament, which founded the religion, though? No?
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There is a huge distinction between a crucified hippy and the writings of the new testament, which founded the religion, though? No?


Yeah, exactly my point. The pure ideas (in this case) are the real church, and everything after 323BC is a corruption or distortion of the word.

The problem is there is no uncorrupted word available. All we have is the Bible. So Christians are forced to believe that the word of God somehow shines through, cannot be destroyed by human meddling. And in a lot of ways it’s an extraordinary book, but it’s not the uncorrupted word of god as spoken by Jesus.

I think a lot of Christians believe if they read it enough the real truth can be teased out. Hopefully this keeps them occupied and off the streets where they can’t do a lot of harm.
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Originally Posted by Chinspinner View Post
There is a huge distinction between a crucified hippy and the writings of the new testament, which founded the religion, though? No?
Unfair to brand Jesus a hippy. There were no other hairstyle options and it's hardly Jesus' fault that George Harrison stole his look...only to sing homages to Krishna

what a nerve!
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I can hear Nacia rubbing her hands together ...


She’s already got the topic for her next bubbling cauldron picked out. In fact, she’s probably got dozens more ready to go.
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Unfair to brand Jesus a hippy. There were no other hairstyle options and it's hardly Jesus' fault that George Harrison stole his look...only to sing homages to Krishna

what a nerve!
Now I am putting While my Guitar gently weeps up- but the Clapton version
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Originally Posted by Chinspinner View Post
Now I am putting While my Guitar gently weeps up- but the Clapton version
A fave of mine.

We seem to be consistently meeting in the intersection of our music venn diagram.

I could ruin the bonhomie shortly with Motorhead's Ace of Spades
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Yeah, exactly my point. The pure ideas (in this case) are the real church, and everything after 323BC is a corruption or distortion of the word.

The problem is there is no uncorrupted word available. All we have is the Bible. So Christians are forced to believe that the word of God somehow shines through, cannot be destroyed by human meddling. And in a lot of ways it’s an extraordinary book, but it’s not the uncorrupted word of god as spoken by Jesus.

I think a lot of Christians believe if they read it enough the real truth can be teased out. Hopefully this keeps them occupied and off the streets where they can’t do a lot of harm.
OK, that is the point where I kinda nod off a little. There was once a hippy (perhaps like or unlike George Harrison, or maybe Graham Chapman) shit happened, people invented a fable around it... wtf then happened?

But my earlier point was this: I dislike the way popular culture picks weak targets to shoot down, and Christianity/ offshoots is a weak target because they will not shoot you for drawing cartoons. At this point I am firmly on the side of the underdog.
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A fave of mine.



We seem to be consistently meeting in the intersection of our music venn diagram.



I could ruin the bonhomie shortly with Motorhead's Ace of Spades


Yeah, that would put you in MY living room. We could then move on to Bad Brains, Fear, Husker Du, Meat Puppets, and maybe some spoken word by Henry Rollins for dessert.
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A fave of mine.

We seem to be consistently meeting in the intersection of our music venn diagram.

I could ruin the bonhomie shortly with Motorhead's Ace of Spades
Oh not with Ace of Spades- stick it up!
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Yeah, that would put you in MY living room. We could then move on to Bad Brains, Fear, Husker Du, Meat Puppets, and maybe some spoken word by Henry Rollins for dessert.
Give me some Henry Rollins to google - I'm curious
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Originally Posted by Mohican View Post
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Mohican now you're talking. Why not create one and I am not talking about God here.
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No, really. Trust me.. I'll guide you through it...

it only hurts the first time...
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LOL now have you some nasa spying gadget somewhere haha
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