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We’ve had a few weeks to see where trump is going to take the country. From where I’m sitting it’s back fifty years.

A little about the veep, we all knew or hopefully knew that he thinks that the gay world has no right to exist. How do we know this – well he signed a law into effect saying so when he was Indiana governor, he doesn’t care much for any other organization that tries to defend minorities either. check him out if you don’t believe. Now that he is the veep and you can no longer stray off course to the hate of another candidate. Oh also, I believe you will see family planning’ funds cut or maybe go away all together. His biggest fault is, in my opinion is he’s evangelical christian, not that faith is necessarily bad but unbending faith is.

a white supremacist as chief strategist, that tells me that, well, I’m very pleased that I’m an old white guy although I do have a large number of native American friends and in-law family, who are a little concerned. (some of them even admit that they voted for – well - they don’t say trump.

I’m sure that all you green party voters didn’t miss the appointment of a person that doesn’t believe in global warming, and that coal is a clean heat source that doesn’t put ‘that many carbons in the air’ to the head of personnel at the EPA. I’m sure that is going to make the earth much better.

I think at this point that is all the appointments he has stated for sure – but I’m sure there is going to be more to come.

Oh, Trump has vowed to select supreme court justices that will overturn roe vs wade also, if the opportunity arises.

From his writings I know that one of my great uncles was a big fan of joe McCarthy, I think he would have liked trump.

That should be enough to get us started


The question is ---- was a hate vote against Hilary really worth it. was a third party vote – that we all know is a wasted vote – worth allowing this modern day hater to come into power.

Now I know you may not agree with my assessment of the facts but they are still facts – so what is your read on them?


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I'm not convinced that Trump and Hillary aren't just the left and right arms of the same power.

I think the chances of us getting a real candidate is prolly none.
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I'm not convinced that Trump and Hillary aren't just the left and right arms of the same power.

I think the chances of us getting a real candidate is prolly none.
yes, the left and the right hand of a government that is not doing anyone, other than the 1%, any good at all.


and the election is over so this should all be hindsight -20 20- as it were

so as far as not going back in time to a more conservative time (1950) was the best choice made and for the right reasons.


can we stand the change (trump) or should we have stayed with the known (Hilary)


we're all going to see and I hope I was wrong for the sake of this nation. but it looks like I was right on the mark. i'll say this again - it is not going to make much difference to this old white guy. my world is going to stay about the same.


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Trump’s pick for attorney general: ‘Good people don’t smoke marijuana’
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Trump’s pick for attorney general: ‘Good people don’t smoke marijuana’


Crap... there goes all my friends I thought were good people.
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If you're wealthy, you might benefit from tax cuts. And if I remember correctly, Bush's tax cuts for the middle class put a couple of hundred bucks in my pocket. Woo hoo. So I can look forward to that.

Otherwise, if you voted for Trump thinking he was going to drain the swamp or that jobs were going to start falling out the sky, you got conned.
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Native-Americans fell victims to the biggest con.
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Amusing statistics about Presidential election:

Seventy-five percent of wealthy Americans (including the vast majority of Hollywood--should we refer to them as the 2%ers) went for Clinton. On the other hand, sixty-percent of working or struggling Americans sided with Trump.

Now, the Liberals running the media have tried to portray the working or struggling white Americans that went for Trump as a bunch of ignorant rednecks or racists.

Meanwhile, most of these wealthy, white liberals live in gated-communities with hardly a black person in sight (It doesn't get any more hypocritical than that).

Returning to the election, if Popeye the Sailor had been running against Clinton, he would have defeated her by even greater numbers than Trump did. The wealthy Liberals have no idea what the struggling and working Americans have endured for the past eight years.

Mr. Trump just happened to be in the right place at the right time. If he fails, the American voters will give him the gate in a mere four years. In the meantime, as an American citizen, try to rally around him to give him a chance. For if he succeeds, America succeeds. Therefore, put down your torches and pitchforks and give him a chance, regardless of the dumb things he said.

I would have voted for Popeye, but unfortunately he wasn't running.

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However, the battle took a more sinister turn for Amazon when Trump addressed a campaign rally in Texas two months later. “Believe me, if I become president, oh do they have problems, they are going to have such problems,” Trump said of Amazon and Bezos.


is our future president going to use the office of president for his own personal vendetta (s)?

it seems so.


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is our future president going to use the office of president for his own personal vendetta (s)?

it seems so.


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So he will be setting a president precedent?
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yes I believe he would be -- if you have other examples then I would be interested.
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I don't think using the power of the presidency to punish ones political enemies is necessarily a new idea. What's maybe different is Trumps seeming willingness to do it publicly, or maybe more publicly than others. That violation of the unwritten law of abiding decorum and dignity which most of our presidents have typically adhered to. It'll be interesting to watch how a president Trump or much of his appointed staff, with their limited political experience, can navigate the world of professional politics.

We might all laugh and make jokes at how stupid politicians and government are, much like we laugh at stupid and petty actors and actresses in Hollywood, but the craft and execution of both are not easy and require skill.
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This election wasn't about Trump; it was more about shelving the elitists who aren't in tune with working class Americans--all those they branded rednecks and racists. Meantime, if you visit any inner city neighborhood, an honest black person will tell you that law-abiding blacks are afraid to walk the streets in their own neighborhoods at night. You think these Liberal fuckers really care about them? The situation has gotten worse in poor areas. The Democrats have been using the minorities for years for their votes. It won't be long however before you'll see a national party of combined blacks and Hispanics entering American politics. The end of the traditional Democratic and Republican parties is drawing near.

But, for now, let the controlling party try to put money into the pockets of people who are hurting.

Obama was attending the church of a racist for twenty years. The American people forgave him and elected him President. What the hell are you complaining about? Stop bitching and wish the new administration well. A lot is at stake. They fail to deliver; they get the gate in four years--that's the American way, not whining like a baby.

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Steve Bannon (ha ha): "darkness is good. Dick Cheney, Darth Vader, Satan, that's power. ( ha ha ha... that fucker won't last long in Washington).
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Stock up on your Kleenex. He'll be there for at least 4 years.
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Stock up on your Kleenex. He'll be there for at least 4 years.


Steve Bannon?
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The Cheney, Vader, Satan comment was a quote from Steve
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This election wasn't about Trump; it was more about shelving the elitists who aren't in tune with working class Americans--all those they branded rednecks and racists. Meantime, if you visit any inner city neighborhood, an honest black person will tell you that law-abiding blacks are afraid to walk the streets in their own neighborhoods at night. You think these Liberal fuckers really care about them? The situation has gotten worse in poor areas. The Democrats have been using the minorities for years for their votes. It won't be long however before you'll see a national party of combined blacks and Hispanics entering American politics. The end of the traditional Democratic and Republican parties is drawing near.
This is exactly what propelled the U.K. into voting for Brexit. The sad part is the same disaffected group have been duped into thinking Europe is to blame for the fact they have been screwed over by successive governments only looking after their own interests.

Labour ditched its working class base years ago in an attempt to court the Tory vote. Blair put the last nails in its coffin. Now it can't cope with a socialist leader. And the Tories are in the midst of civil war over Brexit. The UK's two major parties are both in meltdown.
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yes I believe he would be -- if you have other examples then I would be interested.

So that dust up in Iraq really was about WMDs?
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Max do you have any proof that Steve Bannon is a white supremacist? Where would this proof lay? I read something accusing him of KKK ties, which had to be retracted. How many Trad Caths of Irish extraction have strong KKK ties?

Smear perhaps.

OTOH, I think letting one's guard down in this fashion is foolish: http://www.duffelblog.com/2016/11/do...this-ammo-now/

Perhaps you can move to California/Oregon/Nevada as they begin their secession process.....
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If you're wealthy, you might benefit from tax cuts. And if I remember correctly, Bush's tax cuts for the middle class put a couple of hundred bucks in my pocket. Woo hoo. So I can look forward to that.

Otherwise, if you voted for Trump thinking he was going to drain the swamp or that jobs were going to start falling out the sky, you got conned.
Tax cuts combined with taking Fed.gov back to 1990 size and scope would be a boon.

And Max - what do you think of tRUMPs pick of Mad Dog Mathis for SecDef?

http://www.duffelblog.com/2016/11/ma...ry-of-defense/
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Max do you have any proof that Steve Bannon is a white supremacist? Where would this proof lay? I read something accusing him of KKK ties, which had to be retracted. How many Trad Caths of Irish extraction have strong KKK ties?

Smear perhaps.

OTOH, I think letting one's guard down in this fashion is foolish: http://www.duffelblog.com/2016/11/do...this-ammo-now/

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"Breitbart" redirects here. For other uses, see Breitbart (surname).
Breitbart News Network (known commonly as Breitbart News, Breitbart or Breitbart.com) is a conservative[4] website founded in 2007 by conservative commentator and entrepreneur Andrew Breitbart. It also has a daily radio program on the Sirius XM Patriot channel called Breitbart News Daily.
Breitbart is headquartered in Los Angeles, California, with bureaus in Texas, London, and Jerusalem. Co-founder Larry Solov is the owner and CEO, while Stephen Bannon serves as the publication's executive chairman. Joel Pollak is the senior editor-at-large, and Alexander Marlow is managing-editor.[5]
Conceived by Andrew Breitbart during a visit to Israel in summer 2007, with the aim of founding a site "that would be unapologetically pro-freedom and pro-Israel",[6] Breitbart later aligned with the European populist right and American alt-right under Bannon's management,[7][8] and Bannon declared the site "the platform for the alt-right" in 2016.[9] The New York Times describes Breitbart News as a "curiosity of the fringe right wing", with "ideologically driven journalists", that is a source of controversy "over material that has been called misogynist, xenophobic and racist", and was a "potent voice" for Donald Trump's presidential campaign.



his comments and writings speak for themselves, they are not hard to find --- but you do have to look.

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Just what is it you're complaining about, Max? Living in a land where even the poor are fat, you ought to be dancing in the street. I'm sure you had a nice breakfast this morning. Why are you so unappreciative--they're starving in China.


Anything is easy to find. But, you don't look for the written articles. You look at the person behind the article, and his or her motive for writing it. Lesson #1--don't ever trust the press, many distortions.

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And Max - what do you think of tRUMPs pick of Mad Dog Mathis for SecDef?
I think that everyone trump is selecting is putting the U S on confrontational footing with the rest of the world and at least 50% of the people in the united states. Mathis is 'quick to jump' and is working for a man who is a bully.


but that wasn't the original question


now that trump is elected, and he is going to be the next president, I was wondering how those that voted for him felt about his selection of advisers. they are 'without a doubt' going to try to roll back all the 'advances' I liked in America and create something that I don't think is American, something that is going to condone racism and predigest. we already see it happening.


we'll see how all this plays out over the next few years, I'll ask the question again from time to time.

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Just what is it you're complaining about, Max? Living in a land where even the poor are fat, you ought to be dancing in the street. I'm sure you had a nice breakfast this morning. Why are you so unappreciative--they're starving in China.


Anything is easy to find. But, you don't look for the written articles. You look at the person behind the article, and his or her motive for writing it. Lesson #1--don't ever trust the press, many distortions.

ok we have not gone round and round for a while and we are not going to this time

first of all ,I am not whining or complaining I are simply asking questions. if you have something constrictive to add to the thread please do so, otherwise I will ignore your post ---

and people write what they feel so you do get to know the person behind the writings by reading them


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ok we have not gone round and round for a while and we are not going to this time

first of all ,I am not whining or complaining I are simply asking questions. if you have something constrictive to add to the thread please do so, otherwise I will ignore your post ---

and people write what they feel so you do get to know the person behind the writings by reading them


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Constructive as in "positive." You bash the hell out of someone, and then ask me to be constructive. Then, you have to be a fool to believe the person doing the writing without checking his motives (or ideology). Though, if they write only what suits you, then that's another story. And I'm assuming that is exactly what is happening in your case.


Since when is the following statement you made a question? a white supremacist as chief strategist, that tells me that,

My gut tells me the "fairy" jokes are coming.

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I think that everyone trump is selecting is putting the U S on confrontational footing with the rest of the world and at least 50% of the people in the united states. Mathis is 'quick to jump' and is working for a man who is a bully.
but that wasn't the original question



I live in a very conservative city in a very conservative state, and spend most of my time out working with the public. Even most of my friends are conservative.

It's too early for your original question. They're still in the honeymoon phase of the election and most don't know much or have time to care about the day to day stuff.

Until he actually starts moving with policy, and the media climbs up his administrations ass like they always do with modern Presidents (I mean, they're up there now but he hasn't done anything official yet), the people who voted for him mostly won't see the problem with their vote.

Nobody knows what will happen, but I suspect he will have a difficult presidency. He can't really 'bring the jobs back' at least not in the way he advertises. Trade wars are two sided, and often lead to real wars. ISIS is not an organic movement to be crushed, but a tool used by lots of sides for lots of ends, and the regular republicans aren't going to like the trillion dollar infrastructure package added to the debt, or his compromises on the repealing of the ACA.

Maybe he'll surprise me like he did with the winning of the election, but I doubt it.
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"Breitbart" redirects here. For other uses, see Breitbart (surname).
Breitbart News Network (known commonly as Breitbart News, Breitbart or Breitbart.com) is a conservative[4] website founded in 2007 by conservative commentator and entrepreneur Andrew Breitbart. It also has a daily radio program on the Sirius XM Patriot channel called Breitbart News Daily.
Breitbart is headquartered in Los Angeles, California, with bureaus in Texas, London, and Jerusalem. Co-founder Larry Solov is the owner and CEO, while Stephen Bannon serves as the publication's executive chairman. Joel Pollak is the senior editor-at-large, and Alexander Marlow is managing-editor.[5]
Conceived by Andrew Breitbart during a visit to Israel in summer 2007, with the aim of founding a site "that would be unapologetically pro-freedom and pro-Israel",[6] Breitbart later aligned with the European populist right and American alt-right under Bannon's management,[7][8] and Bannon declared the site "the platform for the alt-right" in 2016.[9] The New York Times describes Breitbart News as a "curiosity of the fringe right wing", with "ideologically driven journalists", that is a source of controversy "over material that has been called misogynist, xenophobic and racist", and was a "potent voice" for Donald Trump's presidential campaign.



his comments and writings speak for themselves, they are not hard to find --- but you do have to look.

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I occasionally read/browse Breibart.com and have listened to Bannon, based on that there is nothing to you're assertions.

You might be confusing Breitbart (who was a jew, BTW) with your visits to Storm Front?

Being pro border protection and anti-illegal immigration is not xenophobic, not wanting unfettered refugee access is not xenophobic.

Your response is not proof of your point but is intellectual laziness. You pointed to a source (NYT) that has itself had accuracy problems, as well as having their "Journalists" getting caught printing fictional stories as news.

If you want to make an assertion that there are fringe white supremacist groups that attach themselves to "the Alt RIght", then we can have a discussion based on some fact.
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I think that everyone trump is selecting is putting the U S on confrontational footing with the rest of the world and at least 50% of the people in the united states. Mathis is 'quick to jump' and is working for a man who is a bully.


but that wasn't the original question


now that trump is elected, and he is going to be the next president, I was wondering how those that voted for him felt about his selection of advisers. they are 'without a doubt' going to try to roll back all the 'advances' I liked in America and create something that I don't think is American, something that is going to condone racism and predigest. we already see it happening.


we'll see how all this plays out over the next few years, I'll ask the question again from time to time.

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I find a lot of humor and irony in this as the McCains of the Republican party are not happy with the bully tRUMP wanting to have a peaceful relationship with Russia.

Or would you rather have a "pacifist" like Obama who allowed Hillary to push coups in Egypt and Libya, and John McCain and John Kerry trying to meddle in Syria?


I can find things I don't like about appointments or rumored appointments but I will wait until there are actual facts to weigh in on.
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