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Old 09-07-2018, 05:12 PM
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Am I just too tired for comprehension - or was that exchange as incoherent as my brain thinks it was?
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Old 09-07-2018, 05:23 PM
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Am I just too tired for comprehension - or was that exchange as incoherent as my brain thinks it was?
Well "the other end of the spectrum" was not intended as a polite comment.
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Old 09-07-2018, 05:40 PM
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Well "the other end of the spectrum" was not intended as a polite comment.
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haha hence the other end of the spectrum
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Originally Posted by Nacia View Post
So let's recap
who is British here apart from me? LOL


I don’t believe you’re British. Were you born in England? Raised there? Taught the Queens English From birth?

My guess would be your first language was French. I could be wrong.

Edit: maybe Togo or Chad?

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Old 09-09-2018, 12:47 PM
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Do not mention scientologists here or you will be smited with divine vengeance.
They opened up a place just down the road from me and put up billboards inviting people to come by. I really want to go check it out.

My wife is like, don't do it! I told her I'm just curious and it would be purely for entertainment purposes, but I guess she's afraid they're going to suck me in. Ha ha.
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They opened up a place just down the road from me and put up billboards inviting people to come by. I really want to go check it out.



My wife is like, don't do it! I told her I'm just curious and it would be purely for entertainment purposes, but I guess she's afraid they're going to suck me in. Ha ha.


You should go. It would be really fun. Take your wife with you.

My best friend and I used to go to catholic mass stoned out of our heads. It was amazing. We had this plan to go to Mormon church and infiltrate the sitch, but his Dad (who worked for the FBI) warned us against that. He said the Mormons weren’t to be fucked with.
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You should go. It would be really fun. Take your wife with you.

My best friend and I used to go to catholic mass stoned out of our heads. It was amazing. We had this plan to go to Mormon church and infiltrate the sitch, but his Dad (who worked for the FBI) warned us against that. He said the Mormons weren’t to be fucked with.
Hah. I've been to mass stoned many times.

At some point my Catholic friends and I figured out we could tell our folks we were going to 6:00 evening mass on Sunday; instead, we met out at a dead end road in a relativity isolated area and drank and smoked weed. Somehow none of the parents ever attended the mass or spoke to anyone who did, and we got away with it. I suppose we're all going to hell.
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You should go. It would be really fun. Take your wife with you.

My best friend and I used to go to catholic mass stoned out of our heads. It was amazing. We had this plan to go to Mormon church and infiltrate the sitch, but his Dad (who worked for the FBI) warned us against that. He said the Mormons weren’t to be fucked with.
Are you saying they are not what they seem to be?
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Are you saying they are not what they seem to be?


That’s what my friends father said. I live in a place with a high population of Mormons and have never found them to be anything but super nice. I mean, every population has some assholes in it, by for the most part They seem like nice people, so it was weird when he said that.
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That’s what my friends father said. I live in a place with a high population of Mormons and have never found them to be anything but super nice. I mean, every population has some assholes in it, by for the most part They seem like nice people, so it was weird when he said that.
Why are all communities based on common beliefs so full of silliness, would be my question? Is it just that to create a community we tend towards extremes of belief. It is true of religions, but it is also true of secularism. Can we not create a commune in the words of Des'ree and her timeless lyrics: -

Oh, I get the shivers
I don't want to see a ghost,
It's a sight that I fear most
I'd rather have a piece of toast
And watch the evening news

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That’s what my friends father said. I live in a place with a high population of Mormons and have never found them to be anything but super nice. I mean, every population has some assholes in it, by for the most part They seem like nice people, so it was weird when he said that.
I don't know about calling them nice. That is just an opinion.
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Originally Posted by Chinspinner View Post
Why are all communities based on common beliefs so full of silliness, would be my question? Is it just that to create a community we tend towards extremes of belief. It is true of religions, but it is also true of secularism. Can we not create a commune in the words of Des'ree and her timeless lyrics: -

Oh, I get the shivers
I don't want to see a ghost,
It's a sight that I fear most
I'd rather have a piece of toast
And watch the evening news


Yeah, that’s what we wanted to experience. The weirdness. We were familiar with their beliefs and thought: we’d like to see how people could be so silly.
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Originally Posted by brianpatrick View Post
Yeah, that’s what we wanted to experience. The weirdness. We were familiar with their beliefs and thought: we’d like to see how people could be so silly.
So you will join me in Toastism?
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So you will join me in Toastism?


Do we eat toast? Can we have butter and jam too? Sounds good to me.
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I will be serious for a moment... Christianity has discarded many of its silliest beliefs (in the US- is not a factor in the UK, which is far more secular) and has become far more libertarian when it comes to individual choices and freedoms.

The far left has become the modern fascism that holds false beliefs and uses them in a religious manner. Never would I have believed that atheism would have become the modern totalitarianism.

It is odd, because the constitution explicitly sets up a secular society, yet it is far less secular than all those countries in Europe that share a head of state and a religious leader.
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I will be serious for a moment... Christianity has discarded many of its silliest beliefs (in the US- is not a factor in the UK, which is far more secular) and has become far more libertarian when it comes to individual choices and freedoms.

The far left has become the modern fascism that holds false beliefs and uses them in a religious manner. Never would I have believed that atheism would have become the modern totalitarianism.

It is odd, because the constitution explicitly sets up a secular society, yet it is far less secular than all those countries in Europe that share a head of state and a religious leader.


America is a funny place. Capitalism (the way we practice it) brings with it an acceptance of have’s and have not’s. Whenever the have not’s are feeling the pinch of financial burden or crisis we see a surge in religion, and yes, as you point out, secular (atheist) uprising and drive for progressive gains (or at least a vocal minority, in both cases.) We also see a rise in populism, historically so. It all seems like the economy to me. I wish some of the politicians would seriously look at this phenomenon. Happy money=happy people. I wouldn’t say most of us worship money, but in this country there are less actual socialized benefits (and lots of hardcores willing to vote against the things they need most.)

The economy here is poor. The stock market is booming but the regular people aren’t seeing any of the benefits. Full time jobs are scarce and the economy seems to be adjusting to a “three part time jobs” scenario.
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America is a funny place. Capitalism (the way we practice it) brings with it an acceptance of have’s and have not’s. Whenever the have not’s are feeling the pinch of financial burden or crisis we see a surge in religion, and yes, as you point out, secular (atheist) uprising and drive for progressive gains (or at least a vocal minority, in both cases.) We also see a rise in populism, historically so. It all seems like the economy to me. I wish some of the politicians would seriously look at this phenomenon. Happy money=happy people. I wouldn’t say most of us worship money, but in this country there are less actual socialized benefits (and lots of hardcores willing to vote against the things they need most.)

The economy here is poor. The stock market is booming but the regular people aren’t seeing any of the benefits. Full time jobs are scarce and the economy seems to be adjusting to a “three part time jobs” scenario.
Well, first of all, in dollar terms you are the largest communist economy in the world since 2008, more so than Russia, China or the USSR. You are not a capitalist economy, you are a communist economy!

Even in theory you are not a capitalist economy, you are a crony corporatist economy. Your political system is funded by corporations and you're government gives favours in return.

This myth that the US is capitalist needs to end.
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Yeah, a crony capitalist society (hence the: the way we practice it thing).

We rip off the poor, put massive pressure on them, and whalla! We get Trump.

I don’t make that much money, but somehow I’m in the 5%.

Since Reagan, no matter who’s been in office, it’s gotten worse. We’re at a point now where something has to change or the bottom will rise up and take over. They’ll probably take my shit too.
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Yeah, a crony capitalist society (hence the: the way we practice it thing).

We rip off the poor, put massive pressure on them, and whalla! We get Trump.

I don’t make that much money, but somehow I’m in the 5%.

Since Reagan, no matter who’s been in office, it’s gotten worse. We’re at a point now where something has to change or the bottom will rise up and take over. They’ll probably take my shit too.
Don't get me wrong, your (and our) system is better than most, but until we start jailing politicians for any cronyism, it will not work. We need to get back to a government regulated free market.

EDIT I prefer crony corporatism to crony capitalism as a term because it describes better the few huge oligopolies the government allows to thrive in return for cash.

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Yeah, term limits, public funding of political campaigns, and a revisiting of the corporate mandate.
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Yeah, term limits, public funding of political campaigns, and a revisiting of the corporate mandate.
...and jailing politicians for cronyism. That is the important part!
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...and jailing politicians for cronyism. That is the important part!


Maybe so. Not so sure that would be necessary. I’ll think about it.
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Maybe so. Not so sure that would be necessary. I’ll think about it.
|I hate to ask it, but I must. Do you have personal or family wealth you wish to protect? If so, can you separate your opinions from your bias? You are fine with whatever you answer except for "no" to the second. And even then YOU ARE STILL ALLOWED AN OPINION!
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|I hate to ask it, but I must. Do you have personal or family wealth you wish to protect? If so, can you separate your opinions from your bias? You are fine with whatever you answer except for "no" to the second. And even then YOU ARE STILL ALLOWED AN OPINION!


No family wealth. My people were all working class.

I’m just not sure if we did election financing reform, and term limits, we’d need a lot of old white dudes in prison.
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No family wealth. My people were all working class.

I’m just not sure if we did election financing reform, and term limits, we’d need a lot of old white dudes in prison.
Well, I have never believed in the retrospective application of justice (no, not even for them), but moving forward you gotta behave.
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