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Old 07-28-2018, 09:35 AM
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Icon3 who do you think rules the world?


I was just having quick a glimpse a the map of the world trying to work who is responsible for ruling this world. I was hoping it would not be China for obvious reason.
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I can't make my mind up just yet.

what are your thoughts?

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it is about 0.1% of people with 90% of the wealth. I think capitalism is good, I think crony corporatism is bad. I think current systems are so aligned with corporations that we cannot change it without revolution. I worry.
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it is about 0.1% of people with 90% of the wealth. I think capitalism is good, I think crony corporatism is bad. I think current systems are so aligned with corporations that we cannot change it without revolution. I worry.
Doesn't "revolution" bring things back to where they were?

Perhaps evolution is a more useful path from the current position we find ourselves in.
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Doesn't "revolution" bring things back to where they were?

Perhaps evolution is a more useful path from the current position we find ourselves in.
Revolution only ever results in mass death, We live in the age of decadence. We have been here many times before and revolution is always the result
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Revolution only ever results in mass death, We live in the age of decadence. We have been here many times before and revolution is always the result
Wouldn't revolution has always been the result be more accurate?
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Wouldn't revolution has always been the result be more accurate?
haha, are you correcting my english rather than my argument? I must be doing something right.
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haha, are you correcting my english rather than my argument? I must be doing something right.
No, my intent is not to correct anything.

I am asking if the future can do other than repeat the past.
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No, my intent is not to correct anything.

I am asking if the future can do other than repeat the past.
history is cyclical. Why would we expect anything else now? Other than misplaced arrogance.
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history is cyclical. Why would we expect anything else now? Other than misplaced arrogance.
Are you stating that you believe there is no evolution possible from the current
condition of humanity?
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Originally Posted by Nick Pierce View Post
No, my intent is not to correct anything.

I am asking if the future can do other than repeat the past.

Typically, things that can't continue won't. Sometimes the ending can be put off....
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Are you stating that you believe there is no evolution possible from the current
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No, evolution ended for all intents and purposes in Mesopotamia.

But that is not the point I am making. History is cyclical. Do you imagine in the final years of Rome they thought they would be overthrown? of course not. We have the same arrogance now.
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it is about 0.1% of people with 90% of the wealth. I think capitalism is good, I think crony corporatism is bad. I think current systems are so aligned with corporations that we cannot change it without revolution. I worry.

If a person looks back to when "capitalism" came into being as a phrase (US Cross Continental Railroad building era - post War Of Northern Aggression) that person would realize that there was very little "free market" and a lot of government involved in capitalism, and all capitalism is, at the core crony capitalism.



Oligarchs rule most of the world, democracy is a myth, and most politicians at a national level are puppets.
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If a person looks back to when "capitalism" came into being as a phrase (US Cross Continental Railroad building era - post War Of Northern Aggression) that person would realize that there was very little "free market" and a lot of government involved in capitalism, and all capitalism is, at the core crony capitalism.



Oligarchs rule most of the world, democracy is a myth, and most politicians at a national level are puppets.
Agreed.
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I would add, it always seems odd to me when conspiracy theorists state that the rich rule the world... no shit Sherlock!

I would say that there are degrees, and when too much wealth is held in too few hands it results in revolution, every time. Judge yourself where we are now.
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If a person looks back to when "capitalism" came into being as a phrase (US Cross Continental Railroad building era - post War Of Northern Aggression) that person would realize that there was very little "free market" and a lot of government involved in capitalism, and all capitalism is, at the core crony capitalism.



Oligarchs rule most of the world, democracy is a myth, and most politicians at a national level are puppets.
Agreed. This is the best line ever truth right there.
Now the question is:
Who are these Oligarch?
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Agreed. This is the best line ever truth right there.
Now the question is:
Who are these Oligarch?


Zuckerberg the lizard man?
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Zuckerberg the lizard man?
LOL now that's a thought????
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Agreed. This is the best line ever truth right there.
Now the question is:
Who are these Oligarch?
In your search, remember: the wealthiest people drive the plainest cars. You won't see the people at the top showing off their shit. Not to us, anyway.
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