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Old 04-06-2016, 09:08 AM
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Icon3 democracy and law: are they compatible?


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does capital punishment jeopardizes human rights?

to punish someone by killing them or terminating their lives gives the message to others that it is ok/permissible to kill for revenge.

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Nacia - I'm not seeing a how the thread title and your opening post tie together.

Capital punishment happens both in countries with aspects of democracy/self determination and in countries that have monarchs, or theocrats, etc.

Tying Capital Punishment to Democracy means that a group is voting to kill off one of it's members, ala Athenians voting for Socrates to chug his Hemlock Power Sweet Tea.

to punish someone by killing them or terminating their lives gives the message to others that it is ok/permissible to kill for revenge.
It takes some very simplistic rationalization to say that since the state has the power to take a life for the punishment of a severe crime, then it's ok for people to kill others in the name of revenge.

Justice does not - or does not always equate to revenge.
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Donald Tump spoke abou this Nacia, and it went something like this-They got the.man that was one of the organizers of the Paris attacks and now there are bunch of lawyers around him ,telling him-Don't say anything , you can be quiet , the trial may be in 10 years from now . And in the same time THEY can have absolutely no laws , they can behead , bomb, kill children...and he said that this naivete , or the democracy and human rights era is actually making it worse... It's an awakening ...and he added that he will make torture possible for that kind of prisoners so they will reveal easier where are their cooperatives

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Originally Posted by Mohican View Post
Justice does not - or does not always equate to revenge.
Not ever.
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Originally Posted by Kristijan View Post
Donald Tump spoke abou this Nacia, and it went something like this-They got the.man that was one of the organizers of the Paris attacks and now there are bunch of lawyers around him ,telling him-Don't say anything , you can be quiet , the trial may be in 10 years from now . And in the same time THEY can have absolutely no laws , they can behead , bomb, kill children...and he said that this naivete , or the democracy and human rights era is actually making it worse... It's an awakening ...and he added that he will make torture possible for that kind of prisoners so they will reveal easier where are their cooperatives
really ?
then it goes to confirm he is blowing his trumpet too much.
he must be a tortured soul.
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Nacia - I'm not seeing a how the thread title and your opening post tie together.

Capital punishment happens both in countries with aspects of democracy/self determination and in countries that have monarchs, or theocrats, etc.

Tying Capital Punishment to Democracy means that a group is voting to kill off one of it's members, ala Athenians voting for Socrates to chug his Hemlock Power Sweet Tea.



It takes some very simplistic rationalization to say that since the state has the power to take a life for the punishment of a severe crime, then it's ok for people to kill others in the name of revenge.

Justice does not - or does not always equate to revenge.
justice is revenge but done according to others who decide for the rest of the population
to kill is a criminal act that is what the law says
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to then apply it to establish justice is going against the law
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Originally Posted by Nacia View Post
really ?
then it goes to confirm he is blowing his trumpet too much.
he must be a tortured soul.
You didn't made a spelling mistake but I don't understand this...
"a torture soul he must be"...??? What are you talking about???
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You didn't made a spelling mistake but I don't understand this...
"a torture soul he must be"...??? What are you talking about???
you mentioned Trump and then this
and he added that he will make torture possible for that kind of prisoners so they will reveal easier where are their cooperatives
to that I replied:
he must be a tortured soul.
no one in their right frame of mind would envisage torture as part of a justice system
capitall punishement is an outrage in this day and age.
justice means put thigns right but the word punishement makes the law an outlaw in itself.
the reason for this
when the law gets it wrong which it has done and will carry on doing so because one can never be hundred per cent sure
the incurred has committed the crime who then takes up the law because it has got it wrong?

how does the law justify the mistakes it makes or/and the unecessary killing it has made?
these are descripoencies the law has incurred/will incur and these must be justified otherwise the law is no longer a legal pracitce safe to preside.
in other words it is no longer reliable because of the many failires it incurs on a daily basis especially where capital punishement is concerned.
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But this practice will be done only against the ones that are in great percentage suspected of collaborating with ISIS or other shit like that... If that was done with the one captured he would maybe tell about the Brussels attacks ...but instead he was put in the soft chair ,or bed ,and he had a lovely nights and days drinking tea and eating see food... Now this is the other side of-what if a suspect in the end come as Not guilty... ?
Well there are two sides ... So is it better not to torture cause of the devastating knowledge that the tortured person is Innocent or torture cause if he isn't hundreds or thousands Innocent bystanders may be stopped from being blown to pieces or fatally shoot?
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