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Old 05-26-2018, 03:17 AM
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Icon3 Is humanity pro science or pro religion?


Is divided or together with one or the other?
or perhaps it is neither.
if it is not then what does bring humanity together?

I am a little hesitant but I know religion is not my forte.

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Humanity is part of the natural world and competes and cooperates to move forward in a system so complex its impossible to see from any one vantage point. All of our ideas and thoughts about the system are part of the system. Although humans feel like they are controlling their own destinies, harnessing “Mother Nature”, and driving themselves and the world around them, they are not.

So, neither. And, both. I guess.
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Well, it sure as hell is divided. "Humanity" as a whole couldn't get together and agree on how many toes we have, much less whether to put our faith in a bunch of questionable statistics, or a bunch of old letters and poems.

Hell, we're not even 'pro life' - we've got innyhoos strapping bombs to themselves and killing themselves and as many others as they can on purpose.

They do it for religion, but they use means devised by science, so go figure?
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("...ah but which science and which religion..." remarked the goblin suspecting that there was little difference between either of them really, then adding "...true, we feel religion to be more religious and science to be more scientific, though in practice we hold onto them as faiths alone, yet we're probably no closer to that whole truth then when we were in ages past...")
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Originally Posted by Nacia View Post
Is divided or together with one or the other?
or perhaps it is neither.
if it is not then what does bring humanity together?

I am a little hesitant but I know religion is not my forte.
Pro money, the whole reason for society is to keep a few jerks on the top happy
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Pro money, the whole reason for society is to keep a few jerks on the top happy


Probably not “pro-money” as much as “pro-status.”

Money is only a sign post regarding status, which is very important in evolutionary biology.

I’m thinking we’re still closer to apes than we’d like to admit.
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Money is only a sign post regarding status, which is very important in evolutionary biology.
I hear that bandied about, but it's not always a truism.
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Originally Posted by Mohican View Post
I hear that bandied about, but it's not always a truism.
Which part, the "money is a signpost regarding status", or the part about status being important to evolutionary biology?

I came across a study that found that, while the alpha males were fighting for dominance, the wilier of the coyotes were slipping in and putting it to the females, kind of putting the kibosh to the old theory of the dominant male passing on his DNA only.
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Money is only a sign post regarding status, which is very important in evolutionary biology.

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Which part, the "money is a signpost regarding status", or the part about status being important to evolutionary biology?

I came across a study that found that, while the alpha males were fighting for dominance, the wilier of the coyotes were slipping in and putting it to the females, kind of putting the kibosh to the old theory of the dominant male passing on his DNA only.

The money being a signpost of status, of course it can be, but my observation shows money as status as perhaps 50% of the reasons I see people obsessively chasing money
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The money being a signpost of status, of course it can be, but my observation shows money as status as perhaps 50% of the reasons I see people obsessively chasing money


Other than intellectually challenged humans, what I said was true. And, obviously so. We don’t need to worry about the dumb-dumbs as much as they need to worry about themselves. I know it might not seem like it in the everyday world, but evolution will slowly but surely take care of those not able to creatively adapt.

Even Jesus said so. “Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them.”

I’ve heard Christians argue that this is talking about spiritual wealth, but if you read it in context, it’s not. Yeah, it’s a good argument with which to make a political point, but it’s not what the guy was talking about.
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Other than intellectually challenged humans, what I said was true. And, obviously so. We don’t need to worry about the dumb-dumbs as much as they need to worry about themselves. I know it might not seem like it in the everyday world, but evolution will slowly but surely take care of those not able to creatively adapt.

Even Jesus said so. “Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them.”
I’ve heard Christians argue that this is talking about spiritual wealth, but if you read it in context, it’s not. Yeah, it’s a good argument with which to make a political point, but it’s not what the guy was talking about.
that is not fair and not a positive thing at all to be said AND coming from Jesus!!
I don't understand religion but that really is confirms it all.
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The money being a signpost of status, of course it can be, but my observation shows money as status as perhaps 50% of the reasons I see people obsessively chasing money
well you know what they:
chasser le naturel il reviens au galop
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chase the naturel it comes back to gallop.
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go to church.

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Did Stephen Hawkins tell the truth when he explained there couldn't be a God or a Creator or an afterlife? On the Science Channel's show "Curiosity," his statement was presented as scientific fact even though it was merely his opinion.
yes I agree that is a bit rushed to present it as a fact.


Religious people do appreciate science; scientists do go to church.
well the opposite is not the same right.
religious people do not chose science as their saviour.
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[QUOTE=Nacia;745272]
yes I agree that is a bit rushed to present it as a fact.



well the opposite is not the same right.
religious people do not chose science as their saviour.

Nacia, why must anyone choose? A person's responsibility is to discover the truth, not hitch his or her wagon to popular opinion.
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[QUOTE=Cityboy;745275]
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Nacia, why must anyone choose? A person's responsibility is to discover the truth, not hitch his or her wagon to popular opinion.
no one has to chose anything however if one is in search of the truth then we must all be living a lie right?
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[QUOTE=Nacia;745284][QUOTE=Cityboy;745275]

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[QUOTE=Cityboy;745286][QUOTE=Nacia;745284]

Nacia, I don't know your definition of "lie."
a lie means when something is perceived to be not true.


I'll explain this way: religion is merely a baby step towards spiritual growth and a way to a closer relationship with God. A person who kills in the name of God is not a religious person but a maniac or, better yet, a murderer. On the other hand, the purpose of science is to discover truth based on evidence.
I agree that those who kill for any reason is a crime.
I am not sure however that spiritual growth is to do with god.
I don't see it that way.

Life for me is more important then any religion or gods because I would not be here talking to if it was not for it and so I think it deserves first hand recognition.
the other thing is that I cannot form any relationship with something I can't physical see. It is an impossibility for me to do so.
People are also more important then god because they are the first port of call.
they make life happen.


Any scientist who shuns investigating whether God and the afterlife exist or not has no business in the field of science.
well I feel that people can do whatever they like.
I mean science also wants to blindly believe in aliens too.
That does put god and an alien one and the same.
This is my mind talking.


A person should explore and experiment (on his or her own) whether there is indeed more than meets the human eye. Through personal discoveries, I may tell you that I don't believe there is an afterlife; I "know" there is one (or more -- my Father's house has many mansions).
I think that is great if you think there is an afterlife.

It is important to keep in mind that if something makes a human being happy then all the merrier there is nothing wrong in believing that.

It's a minor investment of time. One or two months of practicing and your inner sight should open. Thank you and take care.
Cityboy it is always interesting chatting with you because although we don't agree on the same things we share common values in exchanging views and maintaining dignity which is the best thing about forums.
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