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Guns are designed to kill other people.

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I heard, now I don't know if it's true, that a gun can be used as a last resort when someone is attacking you with a lethality that puts you in fear for your life.

You know, like what that kid up in Pa. was doing last Wednesday with a couple of knives to those 22 people.



Of course if any of them knew the Wick Way of a sharp pencil ...


But there is never a Ticonderoga #2 around when you need one.

And you can forget about ever finding a #3 now that the Lead Control Act is almost law.

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And frightened deputies and Harvey Weinstein.
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And scared deputies.
And in the case of scared deputies -- we should only let them have one bullet -- and he should have to keep the bullet in his shirt pocket...
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Unless gun regulations and laws are nationwide, they are meaningless.

The "iron pipeline" -- that's what the ATF and law enforcement call the flow of guns from states with relatively lax gun laws to sates with more strict gun laws -- mainly from the south to the northeast.

There are no checkpoints between sates.

If you are a gun advocate and you deny this is a problem you are lying to yourself.

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Unless gun regulations and laws are nationwide, they are meaningless.

The "iron pipeline" -- that's what the ATF and law enforcement call the flow of guns from states with relatively lax gun laws to sates with more strict gun laws -- mainly from the south to the northeast.

There are no checkpoints between sates.

If you are a gun advocate and you deny this is a problem you are lying to yourself.


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I'm with Chris Rock on gun control.
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Originally Posted by Myers View Post
.. because they believe the next thing is that the Feds are going to show up on your doorstep to take all your guns away!
Are you old enough to remember the Waco Massacre? That's more or less what happened and innocents were slaughtered.

After Waco I suddenly realised why guns are so important to Americans.

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Laughing pretty hard at what I see on social media -- all these rubes blaming these mass shootings on everything under the sun except the sheer availability of guns and a culture that glorifies guns.

Well, there are other countries that are even more secular, with similar parenting styles (or lack thereof) the same kinds of cultural influences, (a lot of what we export) the same kinds of mental illnesses -- and yet mass shootings are exceedingly rare -- comparatively.
Have you seen Michael Moore's Bowling For Columbine? He poses that same question. It's obviously far more complicated than gun availability.
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Originally Posted by flyingtart View Post
Are you old enough to remember the Waco Massacre? That's more or less what happened and innocents were slaughtered.

After Waco I suddenly realised why guns are so important to Americans.
Because so many Americans live in a walled compounds with a stockpile of weapons.

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Have you seen Michael Moore's Bowling For Columbine? He poses that same question. It's obviously far more complicated than gun availability.
What I said was some people blame everything EXCEPT the availability of guns and a culture that glorifies guns. That doesn't exclude any other factor and I didn't say it wasn't complicated.

Look at the things I mentioned that exist in other countries -- all of them COULD be root causes in some combination -- then you add the guns -- and voila!

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There's no need to be so defensive, Myers. I was agreeing with you.
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Well, I guess I'll have to buy that...
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I just meant it's interesting that there are just as many guns in Canada but hardly any High School shootings. So you have to wonder what else is going on.
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I just meant it's interesting that there are just as many guns in Canada but hardly any High School shootings. So you have to wonder what else is going on.


I think Canada has about 1/3 the guns we do, now. But more importantly, itís hard to shoot up a school with a moose rifle.


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Guns are far more tightly regulated in Canada.

There's a list of requirements a mile long. And they have bans on certain accessories, limits on magazine sizes, and laws about how guns and ammunition have to be stored.

And the laws and regulations are nationwide. Not sure how big a deterrent it is, but the penalties for possessing an illegal gun are very steep.
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Gun crime aside, which has a lot to with economics, Canadian society and culture isn't significantly different -- especially in the kinds of areas where these shootings mostly take place.

Of course, they regard guns differently -- they just hold a different place in the culture and history etc.
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Originally Posted by brianpatrick View Post
I think Canada has about 1/3 the guns we do, now. But more importantly, itís hard to shoot up a school with a moose rifle.


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It's even worse in Iceland. You try shooting up a school with a harpoon.
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I know they at least let you have an air rifle in Japan...
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There was a lot of red flags to state, local and federal authorities about this kid. Red flags and lack of action.
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There was a lot of red flags to state, local and federal authorities about this kid. Red flags and lack of action.


If I call the police and tell them my neighbor is weird and crazy and I think he might do something bad, it is very unlikely theyíd even talk to him.

One of my sisters friends escaped an abusive relationship and the guy told her he was going to kill her. The cops couldnít do anything. She got a restraining order, but crazy people arenít deterred by that.

I watched all the smack talk from people saying there were tons of things they missed about this guy. They didnít miss, they just canít do anything until he actually breaks the law.

This argument is just a distraction. Itís like saying we should have known Bin Laden was going to send people to hijack planes and crash them into buildings, just because we knew he was a ďbadĒ guy.


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If someone actually posts that they are going to become a school shooter, then at least it should be looked into.
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Originally Posted by Myers View Post
Unless gun regulations and laws are nationwide, they are meaningless.

The "iron pipeline" -- that's what the ATF and law enforcement call the flow of guns from states with relatively lax gun laws to sates with more strict gun laws -- mainly from the south to the northeast.

There are no checkpoints between sates.

If you are a gun advocate and you deny this is a problem you are lying to yourself.
What happens when the BATFE and the FedDOJ becomes part of this iron pipeline of guns?
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Why don't you tell me about it?
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I could quickly make you upset.
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Originally Posted by Mohican View Post
If someone actually posts that they are going to become a school shooter, then at least it should be looked into.


That doesnít mean the police can do anything about it, take any action, until a crime is committed. You can look into it all you want, doesnít mean Fuck-all.


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Originally Posted by Mohican View Post
I could quickly make you upset.


Iím so sure you couldnít that itís almost laughable😀 that you say this. Please try to keep up. I know we are moving quickly, but itís not that hard. If it is, maybe youíre not suited for this kind of conversation. Nothing wrong with that. A mans gotta know his limits.


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Quickly make you upset

Fast and furious

It obviously went by you hypersonically.

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Originally Posted by Mohican View Post
I could quickly make you upset.
In your dreams.

I'm familiar with Fast and Furious. So?

I'm talking about guns coming from states where they are easier to get, going to states where they are harder to get.

Not too complicated.

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Originally Posted by Mohican View Post
Quickly make you upset

Fast and furious

It obviously went by you hypersonically.


I knew exactly what you were referring to. Itís just a tired righty mantra


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Naw -- he's saying fast, furious -- quickly, upset. Get it?
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brian:

To be serious about it:
Did the Holder DOJ have a program called Fast and Furious - perhaps an offshoot of Bush Two's "Wide Receiver"

Were guns from this Fast and Furious program used in crimes?

Setting aside partisan politics - if something like this did happen, and the AG stonewalls and becomes in contempt of Congress, does it make it better?

Or should we decide that whoever is in power, whether a republican or democrat admin should not be funneling guns to bad people, whether in Mexico, or Syria, or Illinois or Indiana?
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