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Originally Posted by Mohican View Post
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To be serious about it:
Did the Holder DOJ have a program called Fast and Furious - perhaps an offshoot of Bush Two's "Wide Receiver"

Were guns from this Fast and Furious program used in crimes?

Setting aside partisan politics - if something like this did happen, and the AG stonewalls and becomes in contempt of Congress, does it make it better?

Or should we decide that whoever is in power, whether a republican or democrat admin should not be funneling guns to bad people, whether in Mexico, or Syria, or Illinois or Indiana?


We can agree. But that has nothing to do with arming teachers or even the current debate on wether people should be able to purchase military weapons for ďhome protection.Ē

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Originally Posted by flyingtart View Post
I just meant it's interesting that there are just as many guns in Canada but hardly any High School shootings. So you have to wonder what else is going on.
I doubt that there are just as many guns in Canada as the US.
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Us citizens - up until the federal ban on machine guns - (full automatic) could get the same guns that the military did.

The statement about home defense with military weapons is a bit of a distraction.

If we want to talk about the gun used in the Parkland shooting - that was not a "military weapon".

Set that aside - Should Teachers be armed?

If a teacher is competent and wants to, why not?

What is happening in Law Enforcement Departments around the nation - policies involving when/how officers go into schools during shootings are being modified and clarified. Police training will hopefully be modified also.

Access to the schools should also be addressed.
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Originally Posted by Mohican View Post
Or should we decide that whoever is in power, whether a republican or democrat admin should not be funneling guns to bad people, whether in Mexico, or Syria, or Illinois or Indiana?
Is the ATF or DOJ funneling guns to Illinois or Indiana?

I don't think they are.

More apples and oranges.
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Originally Posted by Mohican View Post
I doubt that there are just as many guns in Canada as the US.
Letís not quibble over numbers. I suppose I meant as easily available.

Anyway arming teachers gives a whole new meaning to Ďhands upí.
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Originally Posted by flyingtart View Post
Letís not quibble over numbers. I suppose I meant as easily available.

Anyway arming teachers gives a whole new meaning to Ďhands upí.

And if they are anonymously armed I predict classroom behavior standards will become exemplary.
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Are there already armed educators in American learning institutions?
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Originally Posted by Nick Pierce View Post
Are there already armed educators in American learning institutions?


There are. At least one county in Texas allows teachers to conceal carry. Itís a rural community.


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There are. At least one county in Texas allows teachers to conceal carry. Itís a rural community.


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Have any erroneous firearm discharges resulted from this practice?
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Have any erroneous firearm discharges resulted from this practice?


Dunno. Unlikely I would think. These are rural people grown up with guns, and a tiny fraction of a fraction sample size.


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Dunno. Unlikely I would think. These are rural people grown up with guns

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Hmm, an early exposure to gun culture tends to result in safer firearm activity?
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Hmm, an early exposure to gun culture tends to result in safer firearm activity?


I would think so. Especially in rural communities where guns are often tools necessary in day to day living or lifestyle. In Urban life Iím not sure the same could be said.


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I would think so. Especially in rural communities where guns are often tools necessary in day to day living or lifestyle. In Urban life Iím not sure the same could be said.


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Currently there are 14 states that have armed teachers.
Shall we see if all the schools are in rural settings?
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Originally Posted by Nick Pierce View Post
Currently there are 14 states that have armed teachers.

Shall we see if all the schools are in rural settings?


Thatís a little misleading though. These are mostly states that donít specifically ban teachers from carrying guns. Not states that encourage them to. In fact, most school districts ban firearms on their campuses and firing a teacher for violating has yet to be tested in court sufficiently.




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[QUOTE=brianpatrick

These are mostly states that donít specifically ban teachers from carrying guns. Not states that encourage them to. In fact, most school districts ban firearms on their campuses and firing a teacher for violating has yet to be tested in court sufficiently.

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These statements are based on your research?

Here is a link that shows a state that ... well, perhaps rather than take my words for facts you would like to see for yourself.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/22...ur-safety-html
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These statements are based on your research?

Here is a link that shows a state that ... well, perhaps rather than take my words for facts you would like to see for yourself.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/22...ur-safety-html
Yes, it goes to a 404 page. If you click on the Glock pic the news story comes up.
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Originally Posted by Nick Pierce View Post
These statements are based on your research?



Here is a link that shows a state that ... well, perhaps rather than take my words for facts you would like to see for yourself.



http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/22...ur-safety-html


I get a 404 error for the link. Maybe try again.


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I get a 404 error for the link. Maybe try again.


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Just page up a bit and wait. The pics will flash onto the page.
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Originally Posted by Nick Pierce View Post
Just page up a bit and wait. The pics will flash onto the page.


Only a story about an Ohio district training teachers to carry.


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Only a story about an Ohio district training teachers to carry.


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Yes. And the story states that the state offers funding to train their staff.

I posit that this represents the state encouraging the practice of competent armed response to violent intruders.

Has your research found any incident of the armed teacher schools being attacked?
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Yes. And the story states that the state offers funding to train their staff.

I posit that this represents the state encouraging the practice of competent armed response to violent intruders.

Has your research found any incident of the armed teacher schools being attacked?


No, but armed districts are a tiny fraction of all districts, and hardly representative of America as a whole.

School shootings, despite media coverage are an extremely rare occurrence anyway.

Might I suggest the statistics at the Gifford Law Center. There youíll find where most gun violence occurs. School shootings are not even listed. I donít think they are statistically relevant.

To be fair, everyone reporting stats has an agenda, so itís hard to get facts.


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To be fair, everyone reporting stats has an agenda, so itís hard to get facts.

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Originally Posted by Myers View Post
Is the ATF or DOJ funneling guns to Illinois or Indiana?

I don't think they are.

More apples and oranges.
At the time of Fast and Furious there were also references to a similar program in the Chicago, Illinois and Gary, Indiana area(s)
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It's Guns N Roses, not Guns N Teachers.

Teachers are not killers. Teachers carrying around guns, having metal detectors installed. It's a school. Not a prison.
Gun control laws must be implemented and the ones who are caught for firing (regardless of age, gender, motive) must get capital punishment.

You cant beat violence with more violence.
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Originally Posted by Mohican View Post
At the time of Fast and Furious there were also references to a similar program in the Chicago, Illinois and Gary, Indiana area(s)

...aaaand why do you think they would have done that?

If it was the same type of operation, because --

Like I said, guns are coming from states where they are easier to get, and they going to states where they are harder to get.

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You cant beat violence with more violence.

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Yeah! Look at what happened when the colonials wanted to be free of the king's control.


Oh, wait a second -- alright, I need to go look for a different example.
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If someone is going to shoot you, what they probably need is a good talking to and a few days of staying after school.
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