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I've never really used guns. I fired a .22 rife at a fairground, and used air rifles.

I fired a shotgun once and it nearly dislocated my shoulder.

Are there any keen gun owners here who can offer tips on how to control a shotgun so one doesn't injure oneself?

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My mum taught me to shoot. I know how to train a target ... comes in really handy for winning prizes at the fair.

I know one or two other targets, aside from old tin cans, that I'd like to put my sights on too. *looks innocently at the OP*
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Yes, shot guns and rifles--mum was in the army. Never get my hands on one anywhere but a fair though.

However the gift also seems to be passed to my daughter as well. At a recent school residential she hit the target every time with her air rifle, and in archery she was the only one to hit the bull out of the entire trip - teachers included. Very proud moment. Future markswoman in the family.
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I've never really used guns. I fired a .22 rife at a fairground, and used air rifles.

I fired a shotgun once and it nearly dislocated my shoulder.

Are there any keen gun owners here who can offer tips on how to control a shotgun so one doesn't injure oneself?
Keep it tight to your shoulder.
Shoot the minimum cartridge/load to get the job done.
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Going off topic a bit there, Red.

So how about some pointers on how to use a shotgun safely?
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Keep it tight to your shoulder.
Shoot the minimum cartridge/load to get the job done.
Now that's what I'm talking about. Thank you, Mr M, your job here is done.
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Another question:

If you live in a state where you are permitted to carry a concealed gun, and you do, but you then cross a state line into a state where you are not, what do you do?
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Not me, sadly. I don't really support gun laws, but I would like to have a go at firing a gun. I don't really like the idea of killing anything either, which I guess is what guns were invented for. Shooting bullets into an artificial target is something I plan to do.
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Originally Posted by Mike C View Post
Going off topic a bit there, Red.

So how about some pointers on how to use a shotgun safely?
Not really, my daughter and I can shoot, therefore we know how to control a gun.

Your title says gun control. it doesn't say in which context.
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Are there any keen gun owners here who can offer tips on how to control a shotgun so one doesn't injure oneself?
I think I was very specific, Ms Lorry.
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Not in the title.
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You don't read the posts?

Gun control is a pretty broad subject, Red, and covers areas I would never dare broach in the café.

I will in future try to ensure that the whole of my question is encapsulated in the thread title. is there a word limit?
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I read posts, but I can be as pedantic as the next person.

Oh look, a smiley, you hate those too, right?
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I don't hate them I'm just saddened when people use them as a substitute for actually expressing themselves. But it's a free world, isn't it?
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Originally Posted by Mike C View Post
Another question:

If you live in a state where you are permitted to carry a concealed gun, and you do, but you then cross a state line into a state where you are not, what do you do?
This has some layers, akin to Shrek's Onion

Although I do not approve of the decision, SCOTUS ruled recently that per the 2nd amendment, concealed carry is legal in all 50 states.

Not all states have reciprocity between states in regard to concealed carry. That is a giant patchwork quilt. For example, Ohio does not recognize concealed carry permits from it's neighbor to the West (Indiana). But it might recognize Florida's permit. The Indiana representative can send his/her packet of Benjamins and Jacksons to Florida, along with a photo copy of his/her CCW permit and one other form of Photo ID and receive that permit - which is then recognized in Ohio....

Even though Maryland, New York and New Jersey all have CCW permit processes, knowledgeable gun owners avoid bringing guns into those states because of draconian policing measures.

Even within a state, there is some considerable variation in how things are enforced. In my state, even though the Urban areas still get bitch slapped by the state attorney general, they exceed their authority and make petty arrests on people with concealed carry permits.

A more succinct answer - if you plan to carry, there are some organizations like GOA that put out 50 state guides to carrying and transporting of firearms. Read the guides - look at the states AG websites, etc and make your best informed decision.

And if you have to carry, and are going into enemy territory, be smart - dont' speed. Don't run red lights, etc
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Wow, comprehensive and knowledgeable. Gun ownership sure is a minefield. I'm not pulling your chain, by the way; I gave up discussing the pros and cons of gun ownership many years ago when I realised I wasn't qualified to comment, but I find the cultural differences fascinating.
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Wow, comprehensive and knowledgeable. Gun ownership sure is a minefield. I'm not pulling your chain, by the way; I gave up discussing the pros and cons of gun ownership many years ago when I realised I wasn't qualified to comment, but I find the cultural differences fascinating.

Ha. My paternal grandmother was an English immigrant, and she often lamented to my father that it only took two generations for the family to go native. Oh, and some mutterings about how it must be the old Welsh strain squeezing through the cracks, because I had no love of order...
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forgive me for being captain obvious here, but this reminds me of an old redneck joke, which begins like this: "sure, i believe in gun control . . . "
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so how does the joke end?
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The only thing I shoot is photos.
Make sure that you have a proper backstop. Even a bullet from a 22 can carry for a long distance.
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One point to add to M's accurate review of gun laws: If you are stopped by any law enforcement, put both hands on top of the steering wheel and tell the officer that you are armed and have a permit. Even many with permits don't know that's the law. Also, no weapons on military facilities, even if it's in the state where you got your permit. On shotguns, I would suggest a .410, essentially a bird gun, but the gauge and load are lighter with less kick. Still gets the job done unless you are hunting deer or bear, etc. In addition to holding the stock tightly against your shoulder, let the barrel rise when it fires; that redirects some of the kick. Also hold the hand grip tightly to absorb some of the recoil.
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so how does the joke end?
Yeah I wanna know too.
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jeez, you guys hadn't heard that one?

it's been awhile, but if i remember correctly it ends with: "yeah i use both hands and aim carefully" . . .

something like that.

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If you are stopped by any law enforcement, put both hands on top of the steering wheel and tell the officer that you are armed and have a permit. Even many with permits don't know that's the law.
Sound like common sense to me. It must be very unpleasant to be shot and even more so to be shot by a policeman through your own stupidity.
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Are there any circumstances under which you can take a gun on a plane?
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Oh, that. There are bumper stickers

Gun Control Means Hitting What You Shoot At

Gun Control Is Using Both Hands
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Are there any circumstances under which you can take a gun on a plane?
typically not on your person or as carry on, but thousands of people a year fly with their guns in baggage for hunting trips or shooting competitions. Or certain military people flying with their guns.
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yeah, forgot about the bumper stickers. i first heard it in joke form ...
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