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RT, Lee Camp.

He knows --

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Bee:
I know that you specified Human Made Climate Change, but I'll get this out of the way: The largest driver of climate, the earths temperatures,and changes to the climate is Solar Activity.

This does not take away a responsibility for a more sustainable agricultural model.

The population of the earth is growing, not shrinking. Barring a large depopulation that means that supporting this population means large scale agriculture - You could go with more non animal nutrition but it is less "nutrient dense", and would take more cultivated acres, more petro chemical fertilizer, etc. Which means more fertilizer run off, higher potential of chemicals getting into the aquafiers(sp) etc.

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Bee:
I know that you specified Human Made Climate Change, but I'll get this out of the way: The largest driver of climate, the earths temperatures,and changes to the climate is Solar Activity.

This does not take away a responsibility for a more sustainable agricultural model.

The population of the earth is growing, not shrinking. Barring a large depopulation that means that supporting this population means large scale agriculture - You could go with more non animal nutrition but it is less "nutrient dense", and would take more cultivated acres, more petro chemical fertilizer, etc. Which means more fertilizer run off, higher potential of chemicals getting into the aquafiers(sp) etc.



If you keep this kind of nonsense up people will start to believe that Crowdgather pays you to subvert creative ideas in this forumóan idea that Iíve tried to play-down whenever I get a PM to that effect. No, Mo is alright, heís just a conservative Christianóyou know how they are, I say.

OMG! Climate change is NOT caused by solar activity. Please just stop spouting the Foxx news party line. Please... for your own good.


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Brian: I like the attempt at humor with your Faux News joke

Try to address confirm or deny:

1. Most of the Earth's heat comes from the Sun (True / False)

2 The energy radiating from the Sun is cyclical (True / False)

3 People can, and have for a long time observed solar activity and correlated it with climate/weather (aka Crazy BEN Franklin) (True / False)

4. Maunder and his Maunder Minimum was sponsored by the Weather Department at Fox News (True / False)
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Originally Posted by Beesauce View Post

The TOP CAUSE of human-made climate change - animal agriculture - is basically never spoken about on the mainstream media.
The information is out there and available -- although it's usually framed up as a significant cause -- not the top cause. But that's splitting hairs.

A quick Google search shows stories on CNN, New York Times, The Gaurdian, BBC, NBC News, CNBC about beef production and climate change.

I haven't seen it yet but there's a doc on the subject on Netflix and I saw Food Inc. on Netflix -- which is a pretty damning look at modern meat production.

I think there's a difference between suppressing a story and people just not paying attention.
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The title is amusing

Why the sun controls the climate and Co2 is meaningless

https://co2islife.wordpress.com/2018...s-meaningless/

As we’ve mentioned countless times on this blog, to understand the climate you have to understand the oceans (Click Here). The oceans, lakes and rivers cover upwards of 70% of the earth’s surface, and water is a highly effective heat sink, storing over 2,000x the energy found in the atmosphere. Very small changes to the energy in the oceans, therefore, means very big changes to the relative energy balance between the oceans and the atmosphere, and the oceans warm the atmosphere, not vice versa.
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Originally Posted by Mohican View Post
Brian: I like the attempt at humor with your Faux News joke

Try to address confirm or deny:

1. Most of the Earth's heat comes from the Sun (True / False)

2 The energy radiating from the Sun is cyclical (True / False)

3 People can, and have for a long time observed solar activity and correlated it with climate/weather (aka Crazy BEN Franklin) (True / False)

4. Maunder and his Maunder Minimum was sponsored by the Weather Department at Fox News (True / False)


Missed this. Iím no climate scientist, but the point is not how hot the sun is, itís how much of that heat stays in our atmosphere and causes the planet (including the oceans) to warm. The more carbon in our atmosphere, the more heat is trapped and canít escape.

The sun is not hotter now than itís been since man evolved.

Please donít become a stereotype. Iíd lose the little amount of respect I have for your philosophies all together.

But... I still respect you as a human being. ĎAll things great and smallí as the saying goes.
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Brian: I'm open minded to this. I'm an engineer, have a scientific mind. I'm not influenced by "Fox news", or Rush Limbaugh or whatever. I don't listen to much talk radio.



I have a fairly "green" footprint, so it's not about respect or lack of respect for environment.



A few years ago, while I had some slack time at the Pharma lab ran a colleague and I ran a few rough experiments with a small contained atmosphere of elevated CO2, and with introduced light and heat did not see temperature delta's from the same test run with atmospheric air. (I know, the atmosphere was collected from a midwest rust belt city, probably already had it's own superpolltants)



brianpatrick: The sun is not hotter now than it’s been since man evolved.

With that said, You are in error.



The Sun has cycles where it puts out more heat and lesser heat. It's proven that during ice ages that there is less solar activity.



Here is an article that grudgingly acknowledges that solar activity effects the earths temperatures



https://www.historicalclimatology.co...n-old-question


Another article on Maunder https://www.britannica.com/science/Maunder-minimum



And you're warming is backwards. The Oceans warm/cool and then effect (affect) the atmospheric temps. The atmospheric effect on the oceans is limited to how much solar energy they let through to the Oceans. Salt water (and water in general) absorb and release much more energy than the atmosphere does.







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climate change is man made. absolutely no doubt about it.
It is no solar activity involvement whatsoever it can't be.
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Originally Posted by Beesauce View Post
RT, Lee Camp.

He knows --
do you have a link or quote on what he said about it?
I try to google but can't find anything.
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Originally Posted by Mohican View Post
Brian: I'm open minded to this. I'm an engineer, have a scientific mind. I'm not influenced by "Fox news", or Rush Limbaugh or whatever. I don't listen to much talk radio.



I have a fairly "green" footprint, so it's not about respect or lack of respect for environment.



A few years ago, while I had some slack time at the Pharma lab ran a colleague and I ran a few rough experiments with a small contained atmosphere of elevated CO2, and with introduced light and heat did not see temperature delta's from the same test run with atmospheric air. (I know, the atmosphere was collected from a midwest rust belt city, probably already had it's own superpolltants)




With that said, You are in error.



The Sun has cycles where it puts out more heat and lesser heat. It's proven that during ice ages that there is less solar activity.



Here is an article that grudgingly acknowledges that solar activity effects the earths temperatures



https://www.historicalclimatology.co...n-old-question


Another article on Maunder https://www.britannica.com/science/Maunder-minimum



And you're warming is backwards.
The Oceans warm/cool and then effect (affect) the atmospheric temps. The atmospheric effect on the oceans is limited to how much solar energy they let through to the Oceans. Salt water (and water in general) absorb and release much more energy than the atmosphere does.




the solar system has nothing to do with it. there are other planets to consider.
each planet including the solar system are perfectly aligned a bit like a jigsaw puzzle. each piece relies on the other to make the full picture. if one goes wrong all the other will. this is how it works.
climate change has everything to do with man.
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Originally Posted by Nacia View Post
the solar system has nothing to do with it. there are other planets to consider.
each planet including the solar system are perfectly aligned a bit like a jigsaw puzzle. each piece relies on the other to make the full picture. if one goes wrong all the other will. this is how it works.
climate change has everything to do with man.


Which is not to say we should avoid the obvious conclusion here. Climate change is accelerated by mans activities, yes, now what are we going to do about it? Are we going to impose draconian, business killing regulations to try and return the earth to its former state, or are we going to use our superior scientific intellects to figure out a solution thatíll allow most of us to live through the coming catastrophe?
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