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Originally Posted by flyingtart View Post
How does touching up the intern fit into your business model?
Surely all that time wasted harassing female underlings makes an entrepreneur less effective? Or do you imagine it enhances his expertise?

When confronted with such mind numbing bigotry I realise the achievements of feminism are precious indeed.
Mind numbing bigotry such as 'everyone has to work hard in business'.

This is the thing, tart. It doesn't fit into anyone's business model. Not mine, not any comapany's. The behaviour of a few men does not represent the system as a whole.

Men of all kinds work tirelessly around the clock, in the police force, security services, government, social services to prevent sexual violations. Once again as a society we are united against it, our laws forbid it, our culture condemns it.

As for feminism no group or movement gets to sell bullshit. The civil rights movement achieved a lot of great things -- doesn't mean I have to swallow the teachings of the nation of Islam.

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How do you know it's a "few" men? The 'me too' response would suggest otherwise.

And your last paragraph is all over the place. Try to focus.
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I've worked in business for around 16 years I guess -- most of my colleagues have never been sexual predators. No man in my family, no man I associate with. My experience is that the men around me have been perfectly appropriate around women.

Do you work? -- are most of your male colleagues sexual predators? Would the workplace even function in this country if that were the case?

If you want to make an argument that most men are sexual predators then go ahead.

That's not really the point. That we have paedophiles isn't because we have a social structure which condones and facilitates paedophilia.

Hopefully that helps.
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Originally Posted by flyingtart View Post
The Berlin Wall didn't exist because anyone worth their salt figured out how to climb over it. Sheesh.
That's as poor of an analogy as, "Space doesn't exist because no one's figured out how to breathe in it." Completely irrelevent.

Originally Posted by pralina View Post
That's what we're doing here in my opinion. Nothing resolves itself without some sort of conversation... this thread was started by a woman and taken over by men, which is funny in its own way.
Do you want to have the conversation, or not? You can't begin a conversation, then criticize those who join in simply because they have joined in.

And if you consider joining in to be "taking over," I understand where your ideas of patriarchy come from.

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...When confronted with such mind numbing bigotry...
Actually, I think JC responded to this quite well.

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How do you know it's a "few" men? The 'me too' response would suggest otherwise.
Would it? I would think the publicity is greater than the reality. Most men I know would stand up for a woman rather than grope her. A few cretins acted inappropriately, and were called out -- that doesn't mean all, or a majority, or even a significant fraction of men treat women that way. But with all the hullabaloo, you'd sure think so.
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Originally Posted by Prodigalson View Post
That's as poor of an analogy as, "Space doesn't exist because no one's figured out how to breathe in it." Completely irrelevent.


Don't get tetchy with me because your logic is flawed, dear. And it's spelt irrelevant.
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Don't get tetchy with me because your logic is flawed, dear. And it's spelt irrelevant.


I donít often side with people called flyingtart, but when I do.... ha ha

It was a good analogy, and hereís why:

If you take away everything else, men are physically dominant to women. Yeah, I know we have guns now, and the man has to sleep sometimes, but no matter of manipulation or tricky psychology will change that fact. Men on the whole are also more physically aggressive, and willing to use physical violence to achieve an end. Itís biology.




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Would it? I would think the publicity is greater than the reality. Most men I know would stand up for a woman rather than grope her.
I was at a new year's company party recently. The company I work for is a large multinational, plenty of money was thrown at the event and there were a good few hundred people in attendance.

They had booked a band and this good looking thirty something dude sang various crowd pleasers all night.

At one point he jumped off the stage and started to sing with the crowd, he was surrounded by drunk cheering middle aged women. One of them latches onto him, rubs his chest, turns around and grinds her backside onto his crotch area. All the ladies whoop.

He laughs and continues to sing.

No one cared. And I remember thinking it was funny. But also I knew that it wouldn't happen if the roles were reversed. If a man had done that to a female singer in my company he would be summoned the next working day to explain himself, he might get away with a disciplinary if he's lucky.
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Ever notice that the dead deer on the side of the road are universally does, females?

Why is that and who keeps sending them out there. Think about it and think about the laws of natural selection at work.

Like it or not it's a real thing.

Btw before anyone and you know who you are, goes all crazy over this be damn sure you understand the post because the odds are real good you don't.
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Ever notice that the dead deer on the side of the road are universally does, females?

Why is that and who keeps sending them out there. Think about it and think about the laws of natural selection at work.

Like it or not it's a real thing.

Btw before anyone and you know who you are, goes all crazy over this be damn sure you understand the post because the odds are real good you don't.


Interesting... is this true? Google and the internet seem to say itís either a myth or a misunderstanding. Iím not saying itís not true, but Iím interested to see what your explanation of this phenomenon is, and how it relates here.


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I was at a new year's company party recently. The company I work for is a large multinational, plenty of money was thrown at the event and there were a good few hundred people in attendance.

They had booked a band and this good looking thirty something dude sang various crowd pleasers all night.

At one point he jumped off the stage and started to sing with the crowd, he was surrounded by drunk cheering middle aged women. One of them latches onto him, rubs his chest, turns around and grinds her backside onto his crotch area. All the ladies whoop.

He laughs and continues to sing.

No one cared. And I remember thinking it was funny. But also I knew that it wouldn't happen if the roles were reversed. If a man had done that to a female singer in my company he would be summoned the next working day to explain himself, he might get away with a disciplinary if he's lucky.
ďI once saw a film called The Full Monty and that PROVES there is no such thing as sexual harassmentĒ
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Interesting... is this true? Google and the internet seem to say itís either a myth or a misunderstanding. Iím not saying itís not true, but Iím interested to see what your explanation of this phenomenon is, and how it relates here.


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ďI once saw a film called The Full Monty and that PROVES there is no such thing as sexual harassmentĒ
Nobody said sexual harassment doesn't exist sweetie.

This just illustrates how the culture tends to react to it. Touching up a man is fine. Touching up a woman will get you in trouble. Touching up a woman 20 years ago will get you in trouble.
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Is it a myth that men have bigger brains than women? Or any brain at all?


No, no, itís totally true men have larger brains than women. Here, let me give you an example: 78% of the worlds leading scientists and mathematicians are men.


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That's assuming scientists are intelligent. Quite a big assumption.
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No, no, itís totally true men have larger brains than women. Here, let me give you an example: 78% of the worlds leading scientists and mathematicians are men.


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Because little girls are (or were) not encouraged to pursue science. Boys were given building blocks, toy cars, rocket models, and girls were given dolls, houses for them, and easy bake ovens. Female scientists are still pictured as ugly, awkward, and weird. Itís a dying trend, fortunately, but still.

No, not all parents did that. No, not all female scientist are portrayed in this way. Yes, there are female scientists. Just to make sure you donít twist my words like you tend to. You know who you are.
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The fundamental problem is viewing the world in a black and white simplistic manner.

All we do is identify a difference in outcome and then go straight to discrimination. Some jobs women are over represented in:

Nursing
Teaching
Counselling
Social work
Civil service
Psycho therapy

Is it because all these types of industries are inherently discrimatory against men in favour of women? -- or should we look further?

If anyone watched the Peterson Newman debate one of the first things he says is that if you're a social scientist it's incomprehensible that you would do a unvariate analysis and then draw your conclusions. You must do a multivariate analysis, breaking things down by things like age, social status, education, qualification, race, personality type, and then you can look at other hypothesis such as socialisation.

Men may or may not be socialised in such a way which discourages them from teaching. Or maybe educational organisations are biased against men. Or, maybe (most likely) there are innumerable variables each accounting for a small percentage of the discrepancy.
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Originally Posted by Gaines
Ever notice that the dead deer on the side of the road are universally does, females?

Why is that and who keeps sending them out there. Think about it and think about the laws of natural selection at work.

Like it or not it's a real thing.

Btw before anyone and you know who you are, goes all crazy over this be damn sure you understand the post because the odds are real good you don't.




by Brian Patrick Interesting... is this true? Google and the internet seem to say it’s either a myth or a misunderstanding. I’m not saying it’s not true, but I’m interested to see what your explanation of this phenomenon is, and how it relates here.
Moogle or the rest of the 'net aside, it's an observable trend.

Part of it would be due to whatever the local buck/doe ratio population is. There is typically a higher number of does than bucks.

Even so, seeing a whitetail buck dead along the road is pretty unusual.

An explanation of the relationship between #MeToo! and dead whitetail does would be interesting.
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The issue isn't black and white.
I'll leave any religious underpinning out, which would indicate black versus white, good versus evil binary decision tree.

A few perhaps kooky questions.

1. Assuming that Harvey Weinstein (sp) was the tip of the spear for the #MeToo movement, why did it take so long? Did something happen in the 'Murrican politcal sphere that made Harvey - a known cad but heavy political donator suddenly expendable?

2. After news of Harvey broke, why did "the main stream media" (ie those outside the RushLimbaugh-Sphere-) suddenly acknowledge that Bill Clinton was in the class of Harvey?

3. Is there more widespread outrage with this than in the 1990s or early 2000s when the stories of Pedophile Catholic priests broke?

4. If the answer (or your answer) to #3 is yes, then is there a view that women are more deserving of protection from predatory people than children?

5. Similar to 3, and already asked by John C - Is there abuse by homosexuals against other males, especially in Hollywood?

If the answers to any of these questions is Yes - then the response to this issue is partially but not political, which is sad.
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If the answers to any of these questions is Yes - then the response to this issue is partially but not political, which is sad.
I don't know what to call Western culture, all I really want to say ultimately is that it's a complex beast and we have to be careful and meticulous dissecting it if you want to be serious.

There is something very disturbing about the Feldman component. Women come forward about abuse, regardless of what we think about evidence etc, the event is taken seriously. It becomes an enduring global phenomena, high profile figures are placed in legal quagmires, their careers are doomed, their reputation crushed.

And hey maybe they deserve it. Yes maybe I'm making vague generalisations about events I don't really know any of the details about.

A man comes forward, pretty much with the same story, perhaps even more extreme having been sexually abuse multiple times as a minor by powerful men in Hollywood and... well let's just say he didn't reach the same level of media attention.

It's quite astounding, relatively nobody really gave two fucks about what Feldman had to say.
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To another of John C's points, Men (at least in the society we grew up in) are adverse to the abuse of women in all its forms.

Over 30 years ago, the University I went to had a lot of evening classes. A few women walking to cars or walking home were raped. Back then the answer wasn't to hire more campus police, but to ask (especially male) night students to escort the ladies to their cars, dorms and off campus to their houses. I took a lot of night classes, especially my senior year and had signed up to be one of the escorts/protectors.

As this recommends, where legal (or not) going strapped is a proper response for the responsible and trained: https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/met...rape-survivor/
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So according to a brief internet research quest, hereís what I found.

Fawns are born in equal proportions wrt sex (mostly).

Many or most hunters are only allowed to shoot bucks. There are some states thatíve liberalized these restrictions but mostly if you hunt youíre looking for antlers.

While itís easier for predators such as mountain lions to kill and eat babies and does than males with antlers, and bucks fight during rutting season (this almost never results in death, but sometimes injury to bucks, making them more susceptible to predation)

So... the population is heavily female, especially after hunting season.

Correlation: women are protected, while men (their protectors) are in the crosshairs. Men do 99% of the worlds most dangerous or ball-busting jobs. Front line military, police, firemen, pilots, construction trades, tree trimmers, steel production, miners, commercial fishermen, and on and on (not to say there arenít women who do some of these things, but statistically and temperamentally they donít and donít want to). So much so that men who are good at dangerous and exceptionally hard work are chosen by natural selection as the ones who end up passing on their genes. So, we have what we have now, and thatís why.

So, aggressive, or competitive, intelligent, risk-taking, driven, status-seeking, men who are not too emotional and can recover from adversity and keep going quicker than the average dude are selected for in the population of humans.

And because human children are vulnerable until at the very least their early teens, and need to be protected and cared for so they survive and thrive to propagate the species, women are selected through evolution to be more like the average woman is, statistically. Kinder, more caring, more giving of themselves, more charitable, equitable, and less likely to compete as hard for things like jobs, salary, status, wealth, and the like.


So, more dead does (because there are more to be hit, and more men than women you might refer to as asshole, statistically).



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I will probably be at my state hunting round table, and if so will ask a DNR biologist on buck/doe ratio at birth. I'll ask whether the internet is correct in a near 50-50 ratio or if the population is weighted toward more does.

I wonder how dated the information you're (brian) sharing is?

Some of the Midwest states with multiple tags allow only one buck so people tagging multiple deer will be getting at least one doe.
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A 2013 article addressing hunters claims that they spot 10-15 does when hunting to every one male.

The article did mention the liberalizing of laws for shooting does, but a component of this stuff may be just a hunters willingness to shoot a female deer. Especially when what they really want is a buck. Dunno. Iím just guessing.


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A man comes forward, pretty much with the same story, perhaps even more extreme having been sexually abuse multiple times as a minor by powerful men in Hollywood and... well let's just say he didn't reach the same level of media attention.

It's quite astounding, relatively nobody really gave two fucks about what Feldman had to say.
Possibly, because so far he hasn't made any specific accusations against anyone or provided any names.

So imagine if a woman came forward and said some unnamed movie producer assaulted or sexually harassed her. It might not get much traction.

When someone finally put a very well-know and powerful name and face to it (at least in Hollywood circles), the floodgates opened.

Feldman also talks about wider, darker conspiracies, abuse rings, and even a government connection to the abuse and cover up -- that might tend to undermine his credibility somewhat.
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Possibly, because so far he hasn't made any specific accusations against anyone or provided any names.
Actually he has. And to be fair the media has picked up on it. But no one really seems to care, it's not like anyone knows who they are -- they're not being hunted down as we speak. Perhaps they're just not famous enough.

Maybe there's such a thing as the wrong kind of victim and the wrong kind of perp.
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Maybe there's such a thing as the wrong kind of victim and the wrong kind of perp.


In political movements, or movements that use political strategies to gain traction there certainly are. Politics, or toxic tribalism highlights its own virtues while minimizing its faults or transgressors. So we get Trump and Bill Clinton both dismissed as otherwise good guys by their tribes, and the whole thing gets washed away in ďhe said-she saidĒ arguments.

And like you said (I think it was you), the SJW movement, and the Alt-right movement are just the extreme ends of two basically oppositional viewpoints. They are both actually very small movements here in the states, but they garner huge media and social media coverage because they are good TV.

I think it was Mo who said America is very divided (politically and socially?), in another thread somewhere here, but I donít think thatís really true. Not on a day to day, everyman sort of level. I think thatís a myth that is reinforced by a media that needs clicks or views to stay alive. The regular moderate liberals and conservatives (the vast majority of the population) can usually agree to live together in relative peace. I am pretty liberal, but most of my friends and daily associates are conservatives. We bust each otherís balls and make wisecracks about each other, but it doesnít affect our day to day interaction. For the most part we are all in the same boat, and the right and left need each other to help balance out the system, because too much spending on social programs leads to bad consequences, just like too much deregulation leads to bad consequences.

Cooler heads will prevail in the end because we wonít have a choice. Trendy movements come and go pretty quickly. They are mostly reactionary and short on substance.

I did watch that Red Pill documentary, and it made some good points before going too far and claiming that men were ďreallyĒ the victims all along and women were the perpetrators (or at least the beneficiaries of a world skewed against menís needs). That went too far, but thatís what political movements do.

I do think we will go a great distance when we acknowledge that on the whole men and women are different for very good biological reasons, and neither gender in todayís world, with todayís laws is at too much of a disadvantage. Yes, men are physically stronger and can enforce their will on the weaker sex, but most men donít and wouldnít. Most big dogs donít bite unless they are trained to or they are afraid.

There will always be people who donít fit the stereotypical mold, outliers. We can make laws and institutions against direct discrimination, but we canít stop individuals from having their opinions and expressing them. Life is difficult for everyone, even those people who seem to have everything going for them.






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Originally Posted by brianpatrick View Post
And like you said (I think it was you), the SJW movement, and the Alt-right movement are just the extreme ends of two basically oppositional viewpoints. They are both actually very small movements here in the states, but they garner huge media and social media coverage because they are good TV.
Could be just good TV. But based on that every crazy would be on TV constantly, KKK members, Satanists, conspiracy theorists and so on.

But no, they're not. This would indicate an agenda then...
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