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Some people believe in magic.
I do not because i cannot prove it.

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Yes proof occurs every day. Magic is science that as yet has no explanation. It happens when walking through the forest and listening to the trees whisper etc
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Originally Posted by AnyaKimlun View Post
Yes proof occurs every day. Magic is science that as yet has no explanation. It happens when walking through the forest and listening to the trees whisper etc
NO. How?
What happens? I mean i go for long walks in parks forest woods you name it I am quite an open air person and love walks. I never heard a tree whisper.
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NO. How?
What happens? I mean i go for long walks in parks forest woods you name it I am quite an open air person and love walks. I never heard a tree whisper.
That's because you are walking, ever stopped and just listened to the forest? All the various sounds. Especially in early spring.

Let's try it another way - why do you love walking in the open air? What do you feel when you walk through the woods? What draws you there?
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Hi Anya
I hear you . I think I know what you mean. I hear the sound of tree leaves moving in the wind almost like crackling and it is satisfying.
Or I hear birds singing all the time and that i what I hear.
Either the wind blowing amongst the trees or birds singing.
I love walking in the open air because i like the freshness of the air and the exercise/walking.
When I walk I feel rejuvenated because i am out in the open space amongst nature and beauty. It is relaxing and good for the mind.
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No magic does not exist. I think that every can be explained by science, i but i dont want to know the explanation.
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I hear you . I think I know what you mean. I hear the sound of tree leaves moving in the wind almost like crackling and it is satisfying.
Or I hear birds singing all the time and that i what I hear.
Either the wind blowing amongst the trees or birds singing.
I love walking in the open air because i like the freshness of the air and the exercise/walking.
When I walk I feel rejuvenated because i am out in the open space amongst nature and beauty. It is relaxing and good for the mind.
Yes that's it. That for me is the energy that is used in magic. Most people when they walk in nature are in the beginning stages of meditation hence feeling relaxed and calm. The deeper that meditation goes the more of the surroundings you hear and feel.

In Buddhist traditions even the walking forms part of what Pagan traditions would call "magic".

Do you ever act on a gut instinct?

Have you conscience mutter to you?

Light a coloured/scented candle when you go for a bath?

Use essential oils because they smell nice and make you feel a certain way?

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Not yet. If technology becomes advanced enough, it could be considered magic. Imagine people from the Middle Ages seeing our computers, TVs, MP3 players, cars... surely they would have considered it magic.
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Originally Posted by tahdas View Post
No magic does not exist. I think that every can be explained by science, i but i dont want to know the explanation.
The more you study science the more you realise whilst it has many answers it also creates more questions than it provides solutions for.

Magic is just not yet understood science it always had been. Which is why the early scientists using electricity were dismissed as wizards/witches etc.

They were just conducting naturally available energy which is what magic is.
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If magic didnt exist Debbie McGee would never have agreed to marry Paul Daniels.
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Originally Posted by Nacia View Post
Some people believe in magic.
I do not because i cannot prove it.
some people believe in jesus, and his magical sky dad.

I do not because I cannot prove it.
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According to Alan Moore - "magic is simply the manipulation of symbols, words, or images, to achieve changes in consciousness".

Psychoanalysts would make excellent writers, IMHO, they would be used to what people usually associate with random words... maybe 75% of the human population would always respond with <...> when asked what they associate with the word "apple". Imagine the journeys through subconsciousness those people could give us...
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some people believe in jesus, and his magical sky dad.

I do not because I cannot prove it.
BUT YOU CANT PROVE ANYTHING! You cant prove evaluation, you cant prove that a lot of that stuff isnt made up. Hell for all the proof we have we could be living in a computer program or inmates at a mental institution.
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BUT YOU CANT PROVE ANYTHING! You cant prove evaluation, you cant prove that a lot of that stuff isnt made up. Hell for all the proof we have we could be living in a computer program or inmates at a mental institution.
Evolution can be observed in a lab with a bunch of fruit flies. I think what you are talking about is Darwinism in its many forms. I've never understood why people think lack of education increases faith.
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BUT YOU CANT PROVE ANYTHING! You cant prove evaluation, you cant prove that a lot of that stuff isnt made up. Hell for all the proof we have we could be living in a computer program or inmates at a mental institution.
dear little taaaahhhhhdasssssss, I so knew you'd bite this widget

my lack of 'belief' in magical beings (ie, jesus and his old man) has nothing to do with proofs. I was merely echoing Nacia's post. word for word. to make a point.

that point being - since it escaped you first time around - is the delicious irony if Nacia happened to be a christian. ie, doesn't believe in magic because there's no proof, but does believe in jeebers (jeebers and magic being one and the same - supernatural) despite no proof. that spell it out for ya?
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dear little taaaahhhhhdasssssss, I so knew you'd bite this widget

my lack of 'belief' in magical beings (ie, jesus and his old man) has nothing to do with proofs. I was merely echoing Nacia's post. word for word. to make a point.

that point being - since it escaped you first time around - is the delicious irony if Nacia happened to be a christian. ie, doesn't believe in magic because there's no proof, but does believe in jeebers (jeebers and magic being one and the same - supernatural) despite no proof. that spell it out for ya?
You're a sneaky Bummy...
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some people believe in jesus, and his magical sky dad.

I do not because I cannot prove it.
LOl that is very different.
To believe a person existed is different from believing something happened by magic.
Let say for exmaple the new version of sleeping beauty. The latest movie.
She starts off in as a cartoon character in a cartoon as you would and then she ends up in modern time amongst humans looking for another prince charming. Now that is the kind of magic I am talking about. The kind of magic that talks about spells and falling under it.
Or another perfect example Alice in Wonderland.
Now that is the kind of thing I do not bite into.
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LOl that is very different.
To believe a person existed is different from believing something happened by magic.
Let say for exmaple the new version of sleeping beauty. The latest movie.
She starts off in as a cartoon character in a cartoon as you would and then she ends up in modern time amongst humans looking for another prince charming. Now that is the kind of magic I am talking about. The kind of magic that talks about spells and falling under it.
Or another perfect example Alice in Wonderland.
Now that is the kind of thing I do not bite into.
soooo .... what you really meant ask was "are fairytales in kids books real?"

in the meantime, how is did jesus perform his 'miracles' ?
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You're a sneaky Bummy...
it's true
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You cant prove evaluation
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LOl that is very different.
To believe a person existed is different from believing something happened by magic.
Let say for exmaple the new version of sleeping beauty. The latest movie.
She starts off in as a cartoon character in a cartoon as you would and then she ends up in modern time amongst humans looking for another prince charming. Now that is the kind of magic I am talking about. The kind of magic that talks about spells and falling under it.
Or another perfect example Alice in Wonderland.
Now that is the kind of thing I do not bite into.
That kind of magic starts with the energies in the world the same way Jesus' miracles etc.

The sort of "magic" you can experience walking through the woods or having a candlelit scented soak in the tub.

Alice in Wonderland may well have come out of a meditation or there is a suggestion Lewis Carroll had epilepsy, migraines and other episodes.

The first recorded instances of "magic" are shamanlike cave paintings of half man/half beast the idea that a person can take on the attributes of or communicate with the animals is perhaps one of the oldest forms.

Herbalism overtime has been adopted by science and we call some it medicine. Digitalis is from foxgloves, the compound for asprin the "wonder drug" is derived from sacylic (sp?) acid and something similar has been around using tree bark since the Greeks. Overtime some of the herbs used by witches are discovered to do exactly what they said they did on the tin. (Sleeping drug in an apple anyone?)

It might not be Disney but often there is some truth in the old Fairy Tales and some of the "magic" does exist.
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magic, irrefutably, does not exist.
Buuuuut... on the other hand electricity might as well be magic. Why the fuck do electrons flow in a way that allows us to harness the energy transferred down a metal wire? What the fuck is gravity? why does it exist? There is no fundamental reason why objects of large mass would attract smaller objects.
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Life is magic.

Some stand in awe of it others water it down with poetic imaginings or fuddy duddy indifference. There's so much we don't see/hear/perceive, frequency wise; the idea that science can explain everything is absurd. We can't explain things out of the realm of the known or out of the realms of our extremely limited perception.
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BUT YOU CANT PROVE ANYTHING! You cant prove evaluation, you cant prove that a lot of that stuff isnt made up. Hell for all the proof we have we could be living in a computer program or inmates at a mental institution.
I could not agree more about computer.
however how do you mean 'evaluation'?
just cause something has not proof it does not mean it does not exist right?
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magic, irrefutably, does not exist.
Buuuuut... on the other hand electricity might as well be magic. Why the fuck do electrons flow in a way that allows us to harness the energy transferred down a metal wire? What the fuck is gravity? why does it exist? There is no fundamental reason why objects of large mass would attract smaller objects.
gravity is a myth. It does not exist as far as I am concerned. Others believe it does I don't. I am happy with that.
The question is : Is god magic?
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I do not believe in magic per say. But I do agree with Anya, that when you're somewhere that gives you personal relief and gives you personal satisfaction it can be kind of like magic.
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No magic does not exist. I think that every can be explained by science, i but i dont want to know the explanation.
lOl tahdas i don't blame you.
there is nothing to understand unless you're in it to understand it.
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dear little taaaahhhhhdasssssss, I so knew you'd bite this widget

my lack of 'belief' in magical beings (ie, jesus and his old man) has nothing to do with proofs. I was merely echoing Nacia's post. word for word. to make a point.

that point being - since it escaped you first time around - is the delicious irony if Nacia happened to be a christian. ie, doesn't believe in magic because there's no proof, but does believe in jeebers (jeebers and magic being one and the same - supernatural) despite no proof. that spell it out for ya?
me christian? i ain't got time. I'd rather not please. I am no religion it suits me.
besides why do i want religion when i can have free nothing. religion tells not to and I want to. kind of contradict my nature. I am the kind who wants everything and religion does not. so we do not get on and so i let it go to its own free will. this is the only time i agree there is free will and that is when religion is concerned. the rest is no free will whatsover.
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I do not believe in magic per say. But I do agree with Anya, that when you're somewhere that gives you personal relief and gives you personal satisfaction it can be kind of like magic.
Difference is as a pagan I would actually use the magic or energy. Although don't ask me to stop the snow right now. Because of my Fibromyalgia/ME I have to be particularly sensitive to energy because it makes the difference between me getting out of bed and functioning or rolling over and crying in pain. I know for example that snow and volcanic ash create pain in me like I have never ever experienced at any other time - childbirth is a doddle in comparison. Over the past year I am learning to use meditation to change how that affects me - and today I am up, functioning and have managed to home educate and cook a meal. Usually when it snows we are on a look after Mum day. I can feel snow in the atmosphere up to 30/40 miles away.

I watch it in action with my daughter. I do not drive so walk everywhere yet the only times she has ever been rained on is when she has new wellies/waterproof or umbrella. There have been days when it has been snowing like today - my son and I are freezing but we will go to wherever she is, pick her up and the moment she steps outside it will stop. When we end up back to were we are going and she is indoors it starts again. In nine years an activity she has wanted to do has never been rained off and we live in Scotland.
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Originally Posted by Nacia View Post
gravity is a myth. It does not exist as far as I am concerned. Others believe it does I don't. I am happy with that.
The question is : Is god magic?
How do you stop yourself floating off into the sky?
I'm genuinely interested to know - if you don't believe in a force that can be seen every day then how do you explain how things fall to Earth when thrown.

As for magic, it depends on how you define it. Personally, I find the beauty of a flower or the shape of a snow drop or a new born baby 'magical'.
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