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Redlorry 02-24-2014 10:44 PM

Member poll - new weekly posting limits
 
Following multiple comments from members and repeated incidents of individuals flooding the forum with their work, above the stated number of pieces, the staff are currently looking at reducing posting limits.

The current posting limits are: five poems in one week or three pieces of prose and they apply to:
• Fiction
• Non Fiction
• Poetry
• Members Only Forum
• Adult Forum

We want our new weekly posting limits to be more clearly defined so we can enforce them across the boards listed above, in order to prevent flooding. This is a chance for everyone to have their say and help make WB a more effective and supportive writing environment. Thanks. :)

Nacia 02-24-2014 11:36 PM

I had to vote for the first one because that was the only choice I had.
I wished to see five poems to six a week for those who do not write prose.
in other words one poem a day for those who do not write or post prose.
I am a fast writer and compose a lot of poetry,
I do not write prose and to be told I could only post three a week is very limiting to what I can do.
this is how I feel about it. thank you for engaging this thread.

iDrew 02-25-2014 04:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nacia (Post 637531)
I had to vote for the first one because that was the only choice I had.
I wished to see five poems to six a week for those who do not write prose.
in other words one poem a day for those who do not write or post prose.
I am a fast writer and compose a lot of poetry,
I do not write prose and to be told I could only post three a week is very limiting to what I can do.
this is how I feel about it. thank you for engaging this thread.


With all due respect hun, and not wishing to appear antagonistic, but telling it as it is, youíre as guilty as most in creating the problems the staff are trying to eliminate. In all the time Iíve known your work, and this goes back to that other forum as well, youíve never shown any willingness to workshop your pieces, often posting two pieces a day, five days a week. Itís the reason I never comment on your work, and to be honest, gave up on even reading them a long time ago.

Itís not the only choice you have. In a workshop environment you have the choice to either refine or craft your work and improve your written English, or showcase notebook scribbles masquerading as poetry. By posting less you may have more time to spend on other peopleís work and in doing so learn something about your own.

In general, the downside to a limit is that the showcasers still wonít turn their attentions to other poems on the board and therefore there will become a stagnation effect. Personally I would also add a requirement to comment (50+ word min.) on three poems before the writer could post.


xDrew

Redlorry 02-25-2014 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iDrew (Post 637561)
In general, the downside to a limit is that the showcasers still won’t turn their attentions to other poems on the board and therefore there will become a stagnation effect.

We currently have a few of our regular poets avoiding the forum because of the flooding. So I would hope what we lose in showcasers, we gain from those who are genuinely interested in giving and receiving proper support. And that's no bad thing. We're not a cabinet for showcasers anyway.

Quote:

Originally Posted by iDrew (Post 637561)
Personally I would also add a requirement to comment (50+ word min.) on three poems before the writer could post.

To make sure I've understood: You would like comments from those critiquing a poem to be at least 50 words long?

If I've understood correctly, I'm not sure we could enforce that. And it may put people off commenting if they can't find much to say. On the other hand it would certainly deter newbie one-line posters who are trying to bump posts.

For now we're focusing on reducing the problem of forum flooding and then when the new guideines are in place we can turn our attentions toward encouraging a better level of critique from members. In order to support and develop all.

zara 02-25-2014 06:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nacia (Post 637531)
I do not write prose and to be told I could only post three a week is very limiting to what I can do.
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It might be limiting to you but you do need to consider other posters and leave more room for them.

Thanks to the staff for taking action on this issue.

Nacia 02-25-2014 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zara (Post 637576)
It might be limiting to you but you do need to consider other posters and leave more room for them.

Thanks to the staff for taking action on this issue.

Ok if for example I posted one a day I will not be stopping others from posting. in fact that should encourage others to post too.
In other forums I have/am with posting five poems a day is the norms. there are never any issues about flooding.
everyone gets involved and poetry flows throughout the forum. there are never any issues as far as comments reading and posting is concerned.
in fact the point of posting regularly and consistently encourages others to write more and more often and post because that is the point of writing. If a piece does not get a comment then so be it the next may well do. that is how it works in two forums I am with. there is a certain camaraderie between members and five poems a day means everyone is posting and boasting
why is there an issue here I am not sure.
if you chose not to post your daily amount then that is your choice.
some write faster then others. some are not too fussed that their poems are taken to pieces. writing is instinctive and must be let to flow.
threads move up and down and according to who reads what or comments and poetry is constantly written and moved up or down till the next poster post and so on.

Nacia 02-25-2014 06:42 AM

a poetry forum suggestion
 
a suggestion I have but of course it is up to the mods to decide:
is to have two poetry sections:

the Easy Poetry Section or the Frequently Visited Poetry Section
where members are allowed an allowance daily of pieces up to five if they wanted to where it does not matter whether they are commented or not.
the thank button or a score out of Ten will do or even an emoticon or a little message is more then sufficient.
this to encourage consistency and fluency in writing and competitive spirit between members where they do not feel they are limited.
they can just post according to their speed of writing their mood instinct and whatever.

the second forum is
the Serious Poetry Section
where members are only allowed three a week.
this is to allow for those who enjoy giving detailed feedback or those who wish it to indulge with it.

this way one knows what to expect and how.

Redlorry 02-25-2014 06:54 AM

Nacia, the Writer's Beat boards in question aren't here for showcasing or boasting. We're here to support and help develop writers.

The time and effort you put into your work is up to you. If you can write that quickly good for you, but many people can't or don't want to. Even posting one piece a day how do you have time to work on your poems, develop them, format them and submit them? What do you do with your poetry afterward?

If you are only posting to showcase it's really time for you to find another way to do that.

There have been times when I've looked down the forum and your threads have dominated the boards. That's not fair to others. You are a prolific poster - and whereas that's not a bad thing, especially when you're helping others, it's also not a good thing when you're starting thread after thread after thread and bumping off the posts of others who are looking for critique and support with their work. I was horrified to read that members of our community are no longer posting their work here because individuals are flooding the forum. That's not what we want at all!

New guidelines are coming and posting limits will be reduced in order to make sure everyone's work has a fair chance of being read and supported. We want everyone at Writer's Beat to get the support they need, and this is one of the ways we hope to achieve it.

Franklin 02-25-2014 07:16 AM

As stated by staff, the Poetry section is not intended to showcase work. Still, many will post only for that reason, an ego trip, and resent any comments to the contrary. I think it's great to get positive feedback, but along with praise (if any) should come why the commenter likes, or not.

If there were only five members posting poetry, perhaps five poems a week would not congest the section, but with members competing to see who can post the most, we have several from the same members applauding each other while others' works fall down the page. People capable of helping others cannot possibly give meaningful comments to such a flood. It's also--as stated by several--as the reason for not trying to help. Even we ancient trolls desire to learn how our work can be improved.

Thus, after that diatribe, I suggest that members themselves control the use of the poetry (or any other) section. A poem should be given time for consideration and comments before posting another work. In my less than humble opinion, a week is not too long to wait for the work to make its way down the board, giving new works space and time for comments. Some of us might even learn something from others.

I see no gain from two poetry sections. A solution for those wanting only to post for praise is to use PMs to their friends. Plenty of space is there for showcasing.

Finally, (whew!) I don't think I'm an old fart troll, just a survivor. ;)

Mohican 02-25-2014 08:57 AM

I used to chafe at the 3 post in 7 days limit, but in reality never came close to meeting, let alone exceeding the limit. One or two posts per week allow work to be read and reviewed.

I think this will be good for the forum in general and give people more time to give a good look at an individual piece of work.

JustcallmeEd 02-25-2014 09:33 AM

I had a chance here recently to see for myself the effect of over-posting, when I accidentally did it myself.

To see the board crowded out by my own stuff made me cringe.

Sorry, all.

I fully support the limits.

iDrew 02-25-2014 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redlorry (Post 637562)

If I've understood correctly, I'm not sure we could enforce that. And it may put people off commenting if they can't find much to say. On the other hand it would certainly deter newbie one-line posters who are trying to bump posts.


There will always be pieces that donít generate much discussion or scrutiny, true, and this could always be taken into consideration, and I donít mean for staff to be pedantic about the word count, just as a tool for encouraging a more in-depth approach to crit.


xDrew

Redlorry 02-25-2014 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iDrew (Post 637727)
There will always be pieces that donít generate much discussion or scrutiny, true, and this could always be taken into consideration, and I donít mean for staff to be pedantic about the word count, just as a tool for encouraging a more in-depth approach to crit.


xDrew

We will definitely be looking at encouraging more effective and supportive critique methods. It's next on the list. :)

NokturnalMe 02-26-2014 12:51 AM

The last option suits me well as it gives the writer a responsibility to produce something worth reading.
Too many excuses going about over pieces written in a "rushed" or "hasty" manner.
When you post something for public scrutiny, at least have some respect for your work by being more mindful of those taking the time to read and critique it.

Non Serviam 02-26-2014 02:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redlorry (Post 637791)
We will definitely be looking at encouraging more effective and supportive critique methods. It's next on the list. :)

Back when writingforums.com didn't suck and I was moderating it, which was an exercise I'd liken to herding several thousand rabid weasels, I tackled trying to encourage more effective and supportive critique methods. The results were frankly dismal, so I'm intrigued to see what you'll come up with here.

Nacia 02-26-2014 03:10 AM

I have a question:
it is for those who either write prose or poetry but not both.
does the limit of tow or three a week still apply?
thank you.

Redlorry 02-26-2014 05:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Non Serviam (Post 637825)
The results were frankly dismal, so I'm intrigued to see what you'll come up with here.

I'd like to be smug and say "challenge accepted". But at this time, as we plan, discuss and formulate, I'm intrigued to see what we come up with too. :confused: I might drop you a line to see what you tried ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nacia (Post 637830)
I have a question:
it is for those who either write prose or poetry but not both.
does the limit of tow or three a week still apply?
thank you.

Yes Nacia.

If you vote option 1: Reduce poetry to three poems, as well as three prose, but with a maximum of five pieces - thats a maximum of three poems in a week, but you could also do two prose, or vice versa.

Option 2: Reduce poetry and prose to two of each, with a maximum of four - thats only two poems a week but you can also post two prose as well if you want. But no more than two of each.

Otion 3: Reduce overall posting limits to just three pieces in total, poetry or prose - Three pieces of whatever you want

The object is not only to prevent flooding across the forum, but also to prevent flooding of specific boards. So no matter which option you pick, you will be limited to either two or three pieces of poetry per week and/or two or three pieces of prose per week.

AnyaKimlun 02-26-2014 05:40 AM

Can I change my vote? I was in a slightly medicated haze and wanted to make sure I voted in time. I meant to vote for the last one and voted for the top one instead.

This is a workshop - and good crits on 3 pieces in a week should be enough. The only time I'd like it relaxed is if it is a reworking of a piece already posted as that is the purpose of the forum and I'd love to see more people doing the latter. To me posting the same piece four times is different to posting zillions of different items.

Redlorry 02-26-2014 06:07 AM

Well there's nothing to stop people reworking the same piece in the original thread, as long as it's within a reasonable timescale.

Edit: Anya, I was able to delete your original vote and reassign it to the thrid option as per your post.

AnyaKimlun 02-26-2014 06:42 AM

I guess and then we could PM those that already looked at it to let them know.

Redlorry 02-26-2014 06:46 AM

Let them know what?

AnyaKimlun 02-26-2014 06:55 AM

That it has been updated. It's most useful to get people who have already looked at a piece to see the changes. If you update in the thread they don't know to check it again.

Franklin 02-26-2014 07:09 AM

* sigh *

Redlorry 02-26-2014 08:46 AM

It's not been updated. I just moved corrected your vote. I imagine anyone who is interested is keeping an eye on the poll.

Besides which most who've voted have commented as well, so any new comment will also draw their attention. It's fine. :)

AnyaKimlun 02-26-2014 09:18 AM

;) I actually meant the updated story or prose threads. If we just change them on the thread then the people who've already commented often don't come back.

But if it is three including rewrites we'll have to update the work on the thread.

Franklin 02-26-2014 09:19 AM

Lorry, I think you and Anya are talking across each other. She means updated a post of hers, that it should not count as a new post--I think. You are talking about updating the survey--I think.

Anya, even if your work has moved to the next page, or even into archives, you can always resurrect it for revision or rewriting. Some people call it a 'bump.' Others call it obsession. ;)

Redlorry 02-26-2014 09:40 AM

Ahh ... Thank you Paco. :)

Sorry, Anya - complete sieve-head moment. ;)
I think that's a cultural thing we can address. We can remind people to check back on posts where the author makes new posts. It will also help people see the development of the piece.

AnyaKimlun 02-26-2014 09:40 AM

Oh I shamelessly bump. It's probably my fault I'm on antihistamines but because I have a lactose allergy I can only take the drowsy kind.

Let's try again lol:

When someone has reworked their piece and want to repost it: if they put it on the existing thread and just bump it then people who have looked at it before may not realise it has been updated.

However I could PM them and let them know.

EDIT: Lorry dealt with it lol

Redlorry 02-26-2014 09:43 AM

See my comment above - lol, now we're talking over each other. :D

CandraH 02-26-2014 09:46 AM

Havent voted because I don't post writing anymore, but I just wanted to touch on Anya's concern. Hope you all don't mind.

Instead of editing out the original post, put the revised version in a reply to the thread which will bump it to the top of the page. Put an "edit" at the top of the op stating revised version posted in x# post. That way, everyone will see there's been new work added and will know where to find it. Cancels out the need to post lots of new threads about the same subjcet.

On an aside. Not sure how the edit threads system works here (too busy to go check right now) but on another forum I use, you can edit you thread titles. Go to edit, then go advanced and there's an option to change thread title. If thats possible here, it might be a handy way of letting people know a threads been edited with new work. Just as an addition to the bumps.


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